โฒ 431 โผ Which proprietary software do you prefer over their open-source alternatives, and why? (lemmy.ml) submitted 3 years ago by mayflower@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml 638 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[โ] Aux@lemmy.world 78 points 3 years ago (4 children) There are no good open source CAD systems at all. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [โ] itsmect@monero.town 40 points 3 years ago (1 child) For electrical engineering there is KiCad, which is pretty good overall. Only reason I'm still using proprietary software is because I'd have to recreate my libraries and it will be a huge pita. For mechanical design there is FreeCad, which is usable for simple geometries, but if you come from a proprietary CAD software you may find it lacking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago (3 children) I got into the 3D printing hobby a few months ago and FreeCAD is pretty much useless. I can be more productive by writing JavaScript code with Three.js library, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) For 3D printing, did you try OpenSCAD? If you're already a programmer it's much easier to get into than it is to get into any classic CAD software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] remotelove@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago OpenSCAD has its uses, but would hardly classify it as full CAD software. Prusa, I believe, used OpenSCAD for a while but they even moved to Fusion360. FreeCAD would be great if the devs would stop trying to reinvent the wheel in their UI. There is a ton of potential, but it simply isn't where it needs to be yet. Fusion360 or SolidWorks are very well established in that space and their shitty license models reflect that. Still, as a free alternative, FreeCAD is where it's at. You just really need to understand if it will suit all of your needs and for me, it doesn't. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yeah, it's quite bad as well. I'm using Fusion360 now. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've made some great and somewhat complex designs using freecad, it's certainly capable. I eventually switched to fusion 360 because of the UI and it's more easy to find help. And less need to find help permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yep, that's my experience as well. It works, but man... You're just wasting time fighting the app instead of designing your models. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zer0 -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) For that you can also use Blender permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Not really. Blender is NOT a CAD. It doesn't ensure that your bodies are solid, it doesn't provide any analysis tools, it doesn't support working with blueprints/sketches, it's not parametric, etc. Basically, it doesn't do anything CAD at all. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, it's a great tool for the job. Not as good as Zbrush, but I used it for print prep several times and it just has all the tools you might need. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] ArmainAP@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) I wonder, what makes a good CAD system? I had this idea for a while to build a Frankenstein monster of a 3D software that uses real time graphics and has a multi step build process covering CAD, wireframe manipulation and voxel workflows. If I ever actually make it, your concerns will be heard despite being probably not the best softwsre to do your work in :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago CAD system must be reliable. It is simply unacceptable to have math issues which cause unpredictable geometries. CAD system should have a good UI. This is a big issue for open source software in general as UI and UX is usually an afterthought. CAD system should be fast and use hardware acceleration. Running single threaded python scripts on CPU to do complex computations kills the productivity. Designing real life objects is already a mentally taxing task, the whole purpose of CAD is to remove the computational bottleneck of a human. CAD should be object aware. If I draw two gears and put them next to each other, I should be able to rotate one and see the other moving accordingly. This is a bare minimum, I'm not even talking about computational modelling, stress testing, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 10 points 3 years ago Proper math and an intuitive interface, the opensource alternatives really struggle with some basic functions permalink fedilink source parent [โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago Modern day, proper parametric modeling with robust and intuitive constraints. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago That is a question too hard to answer in a comment and one that depends on the use case of the software. Few users need the power and features of CATIA or NX, but those who need it can't accept anything lesser. SolidWorks is a good spot in terms of flexibility and features if it could be easier for the average person to use. You need proper accurate parametric modeling (e.g. a NURBS kernel) for solid models and surfacing. Hearing things like wireframe and voxel indicates it isn't suitable to me. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I got a maker sub to solidworks. I couldn't keep up with 360's oddities and feature changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Maybe some day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Once you get the basics down it's pretty much all transferable. There are some minor workflow changes, but the functionality isn't all too different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Ok, good to know! permalink fedilink source parent [โ] sverit@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Blender ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Blender is not CAD. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] itsmect@monero.town 40 points 3 years ago (1 child) For electrical engineering there is KiCad, which is pretty good overall. Only reason I'm still using proprietary software is because I'd have to recreate my libraries and it will be a huge pita. For mechanical design there is FreeCad, which is usable for simple geometries, but if you come from a proprietary CAD software you may find it lacking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago (3 children) I got into the 3D printing hobby a few months ago and FreeCAD is pretty much useless. I can be more productive by writing JavaScript code with Three.js library, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) For 3D printing, did you try OpenSCAD? If you're already a programmer it's much easier to get into than it is to get into any classic CAD software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] remotelove@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago OpenSCAD has its uses, but would hardly classify it as full CAD software. Prusa, I believe, used OpenSCAD for a while but they even moved to Fusion360. FreeCAD would be great if the devs would stop trying to reinvent the wheel in their UI. There is a ton of potential, but it simply isn't where it needs to be yet. Fusion360 or SolidWorks are very well established in that space and their shitty license models reflect that. Still, as a free alternative, FreeCAD is where it's at. You just really need to understand if it will suit all of your needs and for me, it doesn't. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yeah, it's quite bad as well. I'm using Fusion360 now. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've made some great and somewhat complex designs using freecad, it's certainly capable. I eventually switched to fusion 360 because of the UI and it's more easy to find help. And less need to find help permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yep, that's my experience as well. It works, but man... You're just wasting time fighting the app instead of designing your models. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zer0 -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) For that you can also use Blender permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Not really. Blender is NOT a CAD. It doesn't ensure that your bodies are solid, it doesn't provide any analysis tools, it doesn't support working with blueprints/sketches, it's not parametric, etc. Basically, it doesn't do anything CAD at all. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, it's a great tool for the job. Not as good as Zbrush, but I used it for print prep several times and it just has all the tools you might need. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Aux@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago (3 children) I got into the 3D printing hobby a few months ago and FreeCAD is pretty much useless. I can be more productive by writing JavaScript code with Three.js library, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) For 3D printing, did you try OpenSCAD? If you're already a programmer it's much easier to get into than it is to get into any classic CAD software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] remotelove@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago OpenSCAD has its uses, but would hardly classify it as full CAD software. Prusa, I believe, used OpenSCAD for a while but they even moved to Fusion360. FreeCAD would be great if the devs would stop trying to reinvent the wheel in their UI. There is a ton of potential, but it simply isn't where it needs to be yet. Fusion360 or SolidWorks are very well established in that space and their shitty license models reflect that. Still, as a free alternative, FreeCAD is where it's at. You just really need to understand if it will suit all of your needs and for me, it doesn't. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yeah, it's quite bad as well. I'm using Fusion360 now. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've made some great and somewhat complex designs using freecad, it's certainly capable. I eventually switched to fusion 360 because of the UI and it's more easy to find help. And less need to find help permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yep, that's my experience as well. It works, but man... You're just wasting time fighting the app instead of designing your models. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zer0 -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) For that you can also use Blender permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Not really. Blender is NOT a CAD. It doesn't ensure that your bodies are solid, it doesn't provide any analysis tools, it doesn't support working with blueprints/sketches, it's not parametric, etc. Basically, it doesn't do anything CAD at all. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, it's a great tool for the job. Not as good as Zbrush, but I used it for print prep several times and it just has all the tools you might need. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) For 3D printing, did you try OpenSCAD? If you're already a programmer it's much easier to get into than it is to get into any classic CAD software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] remotelove@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago OpenSCAD has its uses, but would hardly classify it as full CAD software. Prusa, I believe, used OpenSCAD for a while but they even moved to Fusion360. FreeCAD would be great if the devs would stop trying to reinvent the wheel in their UI. There is a ton of potential, but it simply isn't where it needs to be yet. Fusion360 or SolidWorks are very well established in that space and their shitty license models reflect that. Still, as a free alternative, FreeCAD is where it's at. You just really need to understand if it will suit all of your needs and for me, it doesn't. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yeah, it's quite bad as well. I'm using Fusion360 now. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] remotelove@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago OpenSCAD has its uses, but would hardly classify it as full CAD software. Prusa, I believe, used OpenSCAD for a while but they even moved to Fusion360. FreeCAD would be great if the devs would stop trying to reinvent the wheel in their UI. There is a ton of potential, but it simply isn't where it needs to be yet. Fusion360 or SolidWorks are very well established in that space and their shitty license models reflect that. Still, as a free alternative, FreeCAD is where it's at. You just really need to understand if it will suit all of your needs and for me, it doesn't. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yeah, it's quite bad as well. I'm using Fusion360 now. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've made some great and somewhat complex designs using freecad, it's certainly capable. I eventually switched to fusion 360 because of the UI and it's more easy to find help. And less need to find help permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yep, that's my experience as well. It works, but man... You're just wasting time fighting the app instead of designing your models. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Yep, that's my experience as well. It works, but man... You're just wasting time fighting the app instead of designing your models. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] zer0 -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) For that you can also use Blender permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Not really. Blender is NOT a CAD. It doesn't ensure that your bodies are solid, it doesn't provide any analysis tools, it doesn't support working with blueprints/sketches, it's not parametric, etc. Basically, it doesn't do anything CAD at all. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, it's a great tool for the job. Not as good as Zbrush, but I used it for print prep several times and it just has all the tools you might need. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Not really. Blender is NOT a CAD. It doesn't ensure that your bodies are solid, it doesn't provide any analysis tools, it doesn't support working with blueprints/sketches, it's not parametric, etc. Basically, it doesn't do anything CAD at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, it's a great tool for the job. Not as good as Zbrush, but I used it for print prep several times and it just has all the tools you might need. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] ArmainAP@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) I wonder, what makes a good CAD system? I had this idea for a while to build a Frankenstein monster of a 3D software that uses real time graphics and has a multi step build process covering CAD, wireframe manipulation and voxel workflows. If I ever actually make it, your concerns will be heard despite being probably not the best softwsre to do your work in :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago CAD system must be reliable. It is simply unacceptable to have math issues which cause unpredictable geometries. CAD system should have a good UI. This is a big issue for open source software in general as UI and UX is usually an afterthought. CAD system should be fast and use hardware acceleration. Running single threaded python scripts on CPU to do complex computations kills the productivity. Designing real life objects is already a mentally taxing task, the whole purpose of CAD is to remove the computational bottleneck of a human. CAD should be object aware. If I draw two gears and put them next to each other, I should be able to rotate one and see the other moving accordingly. This is a bare minimum, I'm not even talking about computational modelling, stress testing, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 10 points 3 years ago Proper math and an intuitive interface, the opensource alternatives really struggle with some basic functions permalink fedilink source parent [โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago Modern day, proper parametric modeling with robust and intuitive constraints. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago That is a question too hard to answer in a comment and one that depends on the use case of the software. Few users need the power and features of CATIA or NX, but those who need it can't accept anything lesser. SolidWorks is a good spot in terms of flexibility and features if it could be easier for the average person to use. You need proper accurate parametric modeling (e.g. a NURBS kernel) for solid models and surfacing. Hearing things like wireframe and voxel indicates it isn't suitable to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Aux@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago CAD system must be reliable. It is simply unacceptable to have math issues which cause unpredictable geometries. CAD system should have a good UI. This is a big issue for open source software in general as UI and UX is usually an afterthought. CAD system should be fast and use hardware acceleration. Running single threaded python scripts on CPU to do complex computations kills the productivity. Designing real life objects is already a mentally taxing task, the whole purpose of CAD is to remove the computational bottleneck of a human. CAD should be object aware. If I draw two gears and put them next to each other, I should be able to rotate one and see the other moving accordingly. This is a bare minimum, I'm not even talking about computational modelling, stress testing, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 10 points 3 years ago Proper math and an intuitive interface, the opensource alternatives really struggle with some basic functions permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago Modern day, proper parametric modeling with robust and intuitive constraints. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago That is a question too hard to answer in a comment and one that depends on the use case of the software. Few users need the power and features of CATIA or NX, but those who need it can't accept anything lesser. SolidWorks is a good spot in terms of flexibility and features if it could be easier for the average person to use. You need proper accurate parametric modeling (e.g. a NURBS kernel) for solid models and surfacing. Hearing things like wireframe and voxel indicates it isn't suitable to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I got a maker sub to solidworks. I couldn't keep up with 360's oddities and feature changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Maybe some day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Once you get the basics down it's pretty much all transferable. There are some minor workflow changes, but the functionality isn't all too different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Ok, good to know! permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Aux@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Maybe some day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Once you get the basics down it's pretty much all transferable. There are some minor workflow changes, but the functionality isn't all too different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Ok, good to know! permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Once you get the basics down it's pretty much all transferable. There are some minor workflow changes, but the functionality isn't all too different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Ok, good to know! permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] sverit@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Blender ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Blender is not CAD. permalink fedilink source parent