▲ 385 ▼ China launches HDMI and DisplayPort alternative — GPMI boasts up to 192 Gbps bandwidth, 480W power delivery (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 1 year ago by schizoidman@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world 98 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 year ago (2 children) Today I learned DidplayPort 2.1 can carry 240W. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a lot of power! Are there even any devices that use this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) PCs can use >1KW. I don't know why you'd power a PC over DisplayPort though. New 8k monitors do go up to 190W, so we could exceed 240W if we try hard enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) So if you have a beefy psu you should be able to power your monitor off tbe DP? Or does carrying power limit data throughput? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago The way it works for power over Ethernet — and I assume USB power delivery must work the same way — is that it does not reduce bandwidth because they run the power and the signal over the same wires at the same time. There is a a power injector at one end and a filter at the other end that separate out the high-frequency signal and the DC (no-frequency) power into different wires. This is essentially the same thing as they’re already doing for multi-frequency stacking on those same wires (and on fiber) to get the crazy bandwidth in the first place. DC power is just one more low (very very low) frequency running on the same stack. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It might? I think USB uses data lanes for power delivery above some point, and I wouldn't be surprised if DP does the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hi! I actually work at a major electrical connector company, so maybe I can shed some light on this. I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I used to work with electrical engineers, and whenever I asked about details, they'd shrug and say, "black magic?" Checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago Based on this pin configuration, there's only two dedicated power pins, which isn't very good for large wattages. The rest are twinax signal pairs separated by ground to reduce crosstalk. Usually when connectors are designed for power delivery, they'll use bigger contacts to reduce the contact resistance (signal contacts tend to be small so you can fit more of them in the same space). I'm guessing the original DP connector form factor wasn't made with such high power in mind, so it would make a lot of sense to use the spare signal pins for power delivery in this case. Running too much power through too few small pins can damage the contacts, by either by instant-welding the contact surfaces or by overheating the connector (see NVIDIA GPUs) ((also high voltages can cause arcing, which even in the best case will seriously degrade any connector)). Take all of this with a huge grain of salt cause I just learned this stuff like a month ago, and my department has nothing to do with any of it. Just though someone might find it interesting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) A full PC, no, but a set top box definitely yes. And a set top box is plenty of computing power for a thin client, think workstations for accountants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why accountants specifically? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago Any complex data stuff they could need should be done on some database server, the rest of what they're doing can be done by anything that can deal with minesweeper. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Is it bidirectional then, like USB-C? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Honestly, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 point 1 year ago Monitors, although I'm not sure I want my PC PSU powering those as well as everything else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago They fixed it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a lot of power! Are there even any devices that use this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) PCs can use >1KW. I don't know why you'd power a PC over DisplayPort though. New 8k monitors do go up to 190W, so we could exceed 240W if we try hard enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) So if you have a beefy psu you should be able to power your monitor off tbe DP? Or does carrying power limit data throughput? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago The way it works for power over Ethernet — and I assume USB power delivery must work the same way — is that it does not reduce bandwidth because they run the power and the signal over the same wires at the same time. There is a a power injector at one end and a filter at the other end that separate out the high-frequency signal and the DC (no-frequency) power into different wires. This is essentially the same thing as they’re already doing for multi-frequency stacking on those same wires (and on fiber) to get the crazy bandwidth in the first place. DC power is just one more low (very very low) frequency running on the same stack. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It might? I think USB uses data lanes for power delivery above some point, and I wouldn't be surprised if DP does the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hi! I actually work at a major electrical connector company, so maybe I can shed some light on this. I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I used to work with electrical engineers, and whenever I asked about details, they'd shrug and say, "black magic?" Checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago Based on this pin configuration, there's only two dedicated power pins, which isn't very good for large wattages. The rest are twinax signal pairs separated by ground to reduce crosstalk. Usually when connectors are designed for power delivery, they'll use bigger contacts to reduce the contact resistance (signal contacts tend to be small so you can fit more of them in the same space). I'm guessing the original DP connector form factor wasn't made with such high power in mind, so it would make a lot of sense to use the spare signal pins for power delivery in this case. Running too much power through too few small pins can damage the contacts, by either by instant-welding the contact surfaces or by overheating the connector (see NVIDIA GPUs) ((also high voltages can cause arcing, which even in the best case will seriously degrade any connector)). Take all of this with a huge grain of salt cause I just learned this stuff like a month ago, and my department has nothing to do with any of it. Just though someone might find it interesting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) A full PC, no, but a set top box definitely yes. And a set top box is plenty of computing power for a thin client, think workstations for accountants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why accountants specifically? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago Any complex data stuff they could need should be done on some database server, the rest of what they're doing can be done by anything that can deal with minesweeper. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Is it bidirectional then, like USB-C? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Honestly, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 point 1 year ago Monitors, although I'm not sure I want my PC PSU powering those as well as everything else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) PCs can use >1KW. I don't know why you'd power a PC over DisplayPort though. New 8k monitors do go up to 190W, so we could exceed 240W if we try hard enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) So if you have a beefy psu you should be able to power your monitor off tbe DP? Or does carrying power limit data throughput? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago The way it works for power over Ethernet — and I assume USB power delivery must work the same way — is that it does not reduce bandwidth because they run the power and the signal over the same wires at the same time. There is a a power injector at one end and a filter at the other end that separate out the high-frequency signal and the DC (no-frequency) power into different wires. This is essentially the same thing as they’re already doing for multi-frequency stacking on those same wires (and on fiber) to get the crazy bandwidth in the first place. DC power is just one more low (very very low) frequency running on the same stack. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It might? I think USB uses data lanes for power delivery above some point, and I wouldn't be surprised if DP does the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hi! I actually work at a major electrical connector company, so maybe I can shed some light on this. I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I used to work with electrical engineers, and whenever I asked about details, they'd shrug and say, "black magic?" Checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago Based on this pin configuration, there's only two dedicated power pins, which isn't very good for large wattages. The rest are twinax signal pairs separated by ground to reduce crosstalk. Usually when connectors are designed for power delivery, they'll use bigger contacts to reduce the contact resistance (signal contacts tend to be small so you can fit more of them in the same space). I'm guessing the original DP connector form factor wasn't made with such high power in mind, so it would make a lot of sense to use the spare signal pins for power delivery in this case. Running too much power through too few small pins can damage the contacts, by either by instant-welding the contact surfaces or by overheating the connector (see NVIDIA GPUs) ((also high voltages can cause arcing, which even in the best case will seriously degrade any connector)). Take all of this with a huge grain of salt cause I just learned this stuff like a month ago, and my department has nothing to do with any of it. Just though someone might find it interesting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) A full PC, no, but a set top box definitely yes. And a set top box is plenty of computing power for a thin client, think workstations for accountants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why accountants specifically? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago Any complex data stuff they could need should be done on some database server, the rest of what they're doing can be done by anything that can deal with minesweeper. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Is it bidirectional then, like USB-C? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Honestly, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) So if you have a beefy psu you should be able to power your monitor off tbe DP? Or does carrying power limit data throughput? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago The way it works for power over Ethernet — and I assume USB power delivery must work the same way — is that it does not reduce bandwidth because they run the power and the signal over the same wires at the same time. There is a a power injector at one end and a filter at the other end that separate out the high-frequency signal and the DC (no-frequency) power into different wires. This is essentially the same thing as they’re already doing for multi-frequency stacking on those same wires (and on fiber) to get the crazy bandwidth in the first place. DC power is just one more low (very very low) frequency running on the same stack. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It might? I think USB uses data lanes for power delivery above some point, and I wouldn't be surprised if DP does the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hi! I actually work at a major electrical connector company, so maybe I can shed some light on this. I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I used to work with electrical engineers, and whenever I asked about details, they'd shrug and say, "black magic?" Checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago Based on this pin configuration, there's only two dedicated power pins, which isn't very good for large wattages. The rest are twinax signal pairs separated by ground to reduce crosstalk. Usually when connectors are designed for power delivery, they'll use bigger contacts to reduce the contact resistance (signal contacts tend to be small so you can fit more of them in the same space). I'm guessing the original DP connector form factor wasn't made with such high power in mind, so it would make a lot of sense to use the spare signal pins for power delivery in this case. Running too much power through too few small pins can damage the contacts, by either by instant-welding the contact surfaces or by overheating the connector (see NVIDIA GPUs) ((also high voltages can cause arcing, which even in the best case will seriously degrade any connector)). Take all of this with a huge grain of salt cause I just learned this stuff like a month ago, and my department has nothing to do with any of it. Just though someone might find it interesting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago The way it works for power over Ethernet — and I assume USB power delivery must work the same way — is that it does not reduce bandwidth because they run the power and the signal over the same wires at the same time. There is a a power injector at one end and a filter at the other end that separate out the high-frequency signal and the DC (no-frequency) power into different wires. This is essentially the same thing as they’re already doing for multi-frequency stacking on those same wires (and on fiber) to get the crazy bandwidth in the first place. DC power is just one more low (very very low) frequency running on the same stack. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It might? I think USB uses data lanes for power delivery above some point, and I wouldn't be surprised if DP does the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hi! I actually work at a major electrical connector company, so maybe I can shed some light on this. I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I used to work with electrical engineers, and whenever I asked about details, they'd shrug and say, "black magic?" Checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago Based on this pin configuration, there's only two dedicated power pins, which isn't very good for large wattages. The rest are twinax signal pairs separated by ground to reduce crosstalk. Usually when connectors are designed for power delivery, they'll use bigger contacts to reduce the contact resistance (signal contacts tend to be small so you can fit more of them in the same space). I'm guessing the original DP connector form factor wasn't made with such high power in mind, so it would make a lot of sense to use the spare signal pins for power delivery in this case. Running too much power through too few small pins can damage the contacts, by either by instant-welding the contact surfaces or by overheating the connector (see NVIDIA GPUs) ((also high voltages can cause arcing, which even in the best case will seriously degrade any connector)). Take all of this with a huge grain of salt cause I just learned this stuff like a month ago, and my department has nothing to do with any of it. Just though someone might find it interesting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hi! I actually work at a major electrical connector company, so maybe I can shed some light on this. I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I used to work with electrical engineers, and whenever I asked about details, they'd shrug and say, "black magic?" Checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago Based on this pin configuration, there's only two dedicated power pins, which isn't very good for large wattages. The rest are twinax signal pairs separated by ground to reduce crosstalk. Usually when connectors are designed for power delivery, they'll use bigger contacts to reduce the contact resistance (signal contacts tend to be small so you can fit more of them in the same space). I'm guessing the original DP connector form factor wasn't made with such high power in mind, so it would make a lot of sense to use the spare signal pins for power delivery in this case. Running too much power through too few small pins can damage the contacts, by either by instant-welding the contact surfaces or by overheating the connector (see NVIDIA GPUs) ((also high voltages can cause arcing, which even in the best case will seriously degrade any connector)). Take all of this with a huge grain of salt cause I just learned this stuff like a month ago, and my department has nothing to do with any of it. Just though someone might find it interesting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I used to work with electrical engineers, and whenever I asked about details, they'd shrug and say, "black magic?" Checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago Based on this pin configuration, there's only two dedicated power pins, which isn't very good for large wattages. The rest are twinax signal pairs separated by ground to reduce crosstalk. Usually when connectors are designed for power delivery, they'll use bigger contacts to reduce the contact resistance (signal contacts tend to be small so you can fit more of them in the same space). I'm guessing the original DP connector form factor wasn't made with such high power in mind, so it would make a lot of sense to use the spare signal pins for power delivery in this case. Running too much power through too few small pins can damage the contacts, by either by instant-welding the contact surfaces or by overheating the connector (see NVIDIA GPUs) ((also high voltages can cause arcing, which even in the best case will seriously degrade any connector)). Take all of this with a huge grain of salt cause I just learned this stuff like a month ago, and my department has nothing to do with any of it. Just though someone might find it interesting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago Based on this pin configuration, there's only two dedicated power pins, which isn't very good for large wattages. The rest are twinax signal pairs separated by ground to reduce crosstalk. Usually when connectors are designed for power delivery, they'll use bigger contacts to reduce the contact resistance (signal contacts tend to be small so you can fit more of them in the same space). I'm guessing the original DP connector form factor wasn't made with such high power in mind, so it would make a lot of sense to use the spare signal pins for power delivery in this case. Running too much power through too few small pins can damage the contacts, by either by instant-welding the contact surfaces or by overheating the connector (see NVIDIA GPUs) ((also high voltages can cause arcing, which even in the best case will seriously degrade any connector)). Take all of this with a huge grain of salt cause I just learned this stuff like a month ago, and my department has nothing to do with any of it. Just though someone might find it interesting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) A full PC, no, but a set top box definitely yes. And a set top box is plenty of computing power for a thin client, think workstations for accountants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why accountants specifically? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago Any complex data stuff they could need should be done on some database server, the rest of what they're doing can be done by anything that can deal with minesweeper. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Is it bidirectional then, like USB-C? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Honestly, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why accountants specifically? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago Any complex data stuff they could need should be done on some database server, the rest of what they're doing can be done by anything that can deal with minesweeper. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago Any complex data stuff they could need should be done on some database server, the rest of what they're doing can be done by anything that can deal with minesweeper. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Is it bidirectional then, like USB-C? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Honestly, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 point 1 year ago Monitors, although I'm not sure I want my PC PSU powering those as well as everything else. permalink fedilink source parent