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Once again the conservatives were proven wrong. Let's not make the same mistake Canada, vote liberal. (youtu.be)
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We have yet another example of the conservatives having only short term gain and quick profits on their mind. Turner and the liberals were right when they said that we have been building this country east to west for a century plus, and that we should have continued doing so. And now we are seeing Turner's predictions coming true, and a conservative sold us the fuck out and took the easy way Instead of nation building.

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[–] 9 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Yeah, the NDP kind of need to get crushed in this election so we can clear out the dead wood. We need a reborn and revitalized NDP to meet the current moment.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I absolutely disagree with that statement.

    The Liberals are going to bring more of the same. What we need is a strong coalition with both the Liberals and NDP to push the Liberals to work for the little guy for once.

    I'm tired of having a party that does nothing but work for corporations, who can't think outside the box and do nothing for the working class.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    An NDP minority would keep Singh and the other softly softly types in charge, and continue to offer weak, incremental improvements instead of real, meaningful change. We need a radical, socialist left that offers real solutions if we're going to avert the rise of fascism here in Canada, and the NDP needs new faces and new ideas if they're ever going to win people over again.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I agree with you there. The NDP needs to be more aggressive. I don't know about radical though. You don't want to scare people off either. I think it needs to be progressive. But, they definitely need a change in leadership.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think being afraid of scaring people off got them where they are.

    Voters were overwhelmingly willing to vote for Pollievre, a man everyone detests, simply because he was a fuck you to Ottawa and the status quo.

    That 'burn it down' energy has been tamped down by the threats from the south, but sooner or later it will be back (or we'll no longer be talking about Canadian elections), and when it does the NDP needs to be ready to point the molotovs at where the real blame is.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I attribute increased radicalization on both sides to the failed promise of electoral reform. By which I mean having FPTP is a main underlying cause, but rug-pulling the opportunity to change it really accelerated things by making the center intolerable.

    This problem isn't going away until we get electoral reform. LPC is what we need in this unique moment, but the fundamentals haven't changed.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    How has the liberals programs like childcare, the first home savings account, the middle class tax cut, the raising of taxes on the wealthiest, the school foods program, the deals struck with multiple auto makers to build evs and their batteries here in Canada, investments into critical mineral extraction, enhancing trade tie with Europe and South East Asia, and the Trans mountain pipeline, LNG projects bad for the working class again? ThE cARbOn tAx?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)
    • The childcare program is something the NDP has been pushing for since 2015. And without them at the table, the Liberals would never have prioritized this issue.
    • The FHSA doesn't help much if people don't earn enough money to put aside or can afford a home because they're being priced out. I find this to be one of those "NOT outside the box" solutions that don't bring anything of substance to the problem. It's also greatly limited. It's great for those who have money who want to save on income tax though. What we needed were stronger laws against foreign ownership, againt ownership of residential homes by companies and investors through REITs and ETFs and against AirBnB type services. And maybe limit the number of residential properties per person? Nearly 1/3rd of residential properties in Canada are owned by multiple property owners. Property barons basically. How did that even happen? What did the Liberals do against all of this during their 10 years in power? With what was happening in B.C. we saw what was going to happen and they did very little to stop if from spreading across Canada.
    • The deal for EVs and batteries in Canada isn't a great deal. We're just subsidizing corporations. (again) And for what? For vehicles that people aren't adopting as fast as any analyst had expected. And the battery manufacturing? Look at NorthVolt in Québec and how much of a shit show that is. BILLIONS invested in a company that's near bankruptcy because, again, people aren't buying EVs as fast as expected. Also the value of the materials to make batteries dropped significantly and put the company in a tough financial spot. And on top of all that, China has made so many EV batteries already that the market is practically saturated. If ever we were to open the gates to China, Northvolt would disappear. The trade barriers with China are the only thing keeping that company alive.
    • Regarding the mineral extraction for EV batteries? See my previous point. Also we're still subsidizing private companies to extract those minerals instead of nationalizing everything that's in Canada's soil. And what about the environmental impact of all this? Once again, we subsidize corporations while we pay for picking up the mess.
    • Speaking of environment, how are the trans mountain pipeline and LNG projects good for the working class when these projects are environmental hazards which the working class always end up paying for when an environmental mess happens? How is that good for fighting against global warming, which is a pressing issue? Why aren't we working towards getting rid of our dependence of these things? Why do you think the LNG pipeline project was cut off by Québec? It was a huge environmental risk on our bodies or water, which are a much more important resource than natural gas.

    So yeah. Those are my arguments against what you mentioned.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Bruh you sound like you will never be fucking happy lol. You are arguing against the liberals for.... Doing stuff the NDP agree with? Wtf is this? You sound like you basically just want the conservatives to win because I'm sorry but the NDP ain't getting many seats this election and the closest thing to the NDP right now are the liberals. You want to whine and complain about shit that's actually being DONE? Whine about what ifs and about how it's not PERFECT? I'm sorry to burst your bubble baby but nothing is perfect. The enemy of good is perfect

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    What is your problem??? What the heck is wrong with you and that shitty attitude? You're not convincing anyone by acting immature and throwing a tantrum at people online.

    And how did you even get to the conclusion that I want the conservatives to win?

    You are arguing against the liberals for… Doing stuff the NDP agree with?

    No. Read my comment again. What I said is that the things the Liberals did that you mentioned like the child care program are things the the NDP came up with first and have been pushing through for ages. The liberals being a minority government had to make a coalition with the NDP and therefore the NDP pushed for these things to be implemented. These were the compromises that the Liberals had to make to get their votes in return for other bills. That's the beauty of a minority government.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I kind of agree, but there's a substantial chance the NDP will insist on misinterpreting the results as meaning they should pull even farther to the relative center, even though it's their base they are losing.

    On the other hand, the NDP implosion in NB opened the window for a stronger Green party with no more splitting of left-leaning votes. That party now more effectively represents both environmental concerns and labor. So far, that's seeming like a pretty harmonious pairing of interests, with a largely shared base.

    I'm good with the NDP either shaping up or getting out of the way.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Look, I wish I could give you an ironclad guarantee of how things will shake out, but that ain't how this shit works.

    The NDP as they are now are incapable of rising to this moment. They need to be replaced by something that is. Maybe that works out, maybe it doesn't. Playing it safe has gotten us fucking nowhere. I'd rather take the swing.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, I think I've already talked myself out of worrying where the NDP goes next anyway. I hate how things went with the federal Greens but at this point they've still got as much shot at representing the left as the NDP.

    I'm smelling a theme in leftist parties, where good leaders seem disproportionately difficult to replace.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I kind of agree, but there's a substantial chance the NDP will insist on misinterpreting the results as meaning they should pull even farther to the relative center

    That's why, if you want the NDP (or whatever party you are closest aligned with) to make better policy choices, you should become an active member of the party and get involved long before an election.

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