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Recording of Danielle Smith saying she tried to work with American officials to get Pierre elected (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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Archive link to Breitbart article: https://archive.is/UQuX1

Recording link of the quote there's also a link in the article but it goes to Breitbart Soundcloud account :

“Before the tariff war, I would say yes. I mean, Pierre Poilievre is the name of the Conservative Party leader, and he was miles ahead of Justin Trudeau. But because of what we see as unjust and unfair tariffs, it’s actually caused an increase in the support for the liberals,” Smith responded. “And so that’s what I fear, is that the longer this dispute goes on, politicians posture, and it seems to be benefiting the Liberals right now. So I would hope that we could put things on pause is what I’ve told administration officials. Let’s just put things on pause so we can get through an election.”

Pierre would bring would be very much in sync with, I think…the new direction in America,

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[–] 38 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This makes me unreasonably angry.

Any assumption of good faith discussions with her or her supporters should be abandoned. In my mind this cements them as outright traitors. We need to kick American oil interests out of our country, immediately. This is what they have wrought. I don't give a dry fuck what Smith, the UCP and all the other Alberta separatists think of this proposal. They should be considered criminals and treated accordingly.

Frankly the Conservatives had better come out strong against this, or they will forever be the party of treason to their country. This is inexcusable. I don't care what you think about policy...if you believe this is okay, you can shut the fuck up about what you think is good for the country because you have no interest in the country itself.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    That maybe is an unreasonable amount of anger. Based on the headline I honestly expected something a little more traitorous, but this is pretty much standard fare for any of the Oil & Gas Parties. American-aligned or not, it's kind of amazing to me how normalized it is to still have politicians that effectively represent only that industry.

    Even from a conservative, deeply neoliberal perspective that stopped making any sense a quarter century ago.

    Then again, selling out a nation for an industry shouldn't really inspire any less anger than doing it for another nation.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    You are coming from a genuine place, so I'm going to assume we're discussing in good faith.

    With respect, I think you should be less apologetic and perhaps a bit more angry. I say this because this situation goes rather beyond just advocating for a single industry to the detriment of the electorate, as blatantly corrupt as that itself is. This is about a Premier who is illegally representing Canada to a state actor who is currently in borderline hostile and unprecedented negotiations with us, and to whom the Premier is collaborating on hostile economic action for the purposes of partisan political gain. And this ignores the threats to national sovereignty from a hostile state actor, and the very clear and repeated actions by the Premier, her party and her supporters to make it clear that they support separatist sentiments, up to and including threatening a national unity crisis if their ridiculous self serving demands are not met. A list of demands, I might add, that was forced on the PM of Canada, without any equivalent list of demands given to the hostile state actor, where it rightfully should have been.

    She didn't even ask for no tariffs. She said pause them until after the election, so the guy she wants to win can get in and "align with their directions".

    This is out and out treason, or at least illegal under the elections act and/or criminal code and people need to stop making excuses about it and treat it as what it is. Refusing to prosecute this will bring us down the same road as the Americans when they refused to prosecute Trump for his blatant insurrection and attempts to subvert democracy.

    What Smith is doing cannot be allowed to be precedent.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I think I really only completely responded to half of your critique previously, so let me fix that now. I stand by carefully restricting myself to technically and precisely accurate facts, as much as I am able. But that's responding to how you expounded your point rather than the point itself.

    You say I should be less apologetic, and if by that you meant my tone rather than the substance of my perspective, I think you're right. On retrospect, the dismissive vitriol that inspired my comment really didn't come through clearly at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Perhaps I shouldn't have opened the comment so provocatively. You can see I concluded it in a manner that contradicts the opening. So first off, I'm mad as hell. But I never want to let that control my actions or cloud my judgement -- and correctness matters, deeply. Standing up for what's right is best served by maintaining unimpeachable honesty.

    I'm plenty furious at Smith over this and so many other things. I believe she's also associated with the hate group that tried to manipulate New Brunswick's recent election. None of my anger requires her actions to qualify as treason, and good thing because as (very narrowly) defined in our laws it simply isn't. I don't even know yet if anything she's done is actually illegal. And let me assure you, I want to say some of these things are. The best I can do is say that at least some of the things we already explicitly know should be, and that if they aren't then patching our laws around foreign collaboration should be a top priority.

    Her list of demands is also pretty disgusting to the rest of the nation, and though I think she means to appeal to Albertans, I think even the majority of them ultimately won't even consider following down that path. I also think with that specifically our emotional response is part of the plan. She has potentially criminal charges breathing down her neck related to medical procurement, and now on top of that got caught implicitly inviting foreign interference. Her every action seems inspired by the Dumpster's playbook, and that includes rage-baiting as a distraction; it's a way to control the narrative.

    …this situation goes rather beyond just advocating for a single industry to the detriment of the electorate, as blatantly corrupt as that itself is.

    See, I actually don't think even treason against a nation is worse than treason against humanity. I love my country, but I literally cannot survive without my planet. And in this specific case it's not just selling some people out to a corrupt industry -- it's helping that industry make this entire planet less livable for everyone. There's even some degree of success in that endeavor that could prematurely end the human race.

    You are right that her actions cannot be allowed to set precedent. Such inaction will be as disastrous here as normalizing Dumpster's behavior has been in the U.S. When I heard about how Luigi did his thing, I immediately let out an involuntary fist pump and verbal cheer. I was unreservedly elated, because of the precedent. I felt nothing but pure joy at seeing demonstration that there was a level of evil not even the law could protect.

    In Alberta, the law has not failed us -- yet.

    Are you sure I'm not mad enough?

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