▲ 173 ▼ How Three Alleged Tesla Vandals Got Caught (www.404media.co) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] futatorius@lemm.ee 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 32 points 2 years ago (8 children) Oh, and the basic - don't carry your cell phone/smart watch regardless of whether it's switched off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (7 children) Burner phone! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) it's rather easy to link a burner phone to you if you don't know exactly what you are doing. no need for a phone, don't take any risk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Could you provide examples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago* (3 children) if your travel with burner and normal phone for one hour, both switched on, cell tower registrations are in sync and both are easily linked. if your switch on your burner only occasionally at random locations, but your real phone is/was there at the same time they are linkable. to use a burner: never switch on at home leave main phone at home, switched on travel a reasonable distance before switching the burner on don't travel with people who know you and who carry a phone sim & phone mustn't be bought/topped-up in a traceable way cover cameras at all times (there are 0click exploits available to three letter agencies) don't travel in a traceable way it's possible, but certainly not trivial. also: depends on the power of your adversary, as always the personal threat model is relevant. using a burner to cheat on your spouse is not the same as using one when plotting to steal the nuclear codes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Appreciate you elaborating, but if you wouldn’t mind doing so a little more…. lol How does one “travel in a not traceable way”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago I mean... like everything this comes in many levels... go on the main road with your car, cameras will catch you. sign in with your public transport card when boarding the bus... these are obvious. use a cab, pay cash. ride a bike, change cities, change states, change countreis... depends on your threat model I guess :D permalink fedilink source parent [–] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago One thing: Turn off your phone's WiFi and Bluetooth when travelling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Burn the Tesla with the phone, gotcha permalink fedilink source parent [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago Even better, wear loose generic clothes like a long black skirt and a baggy long sleeve shirt. Investigators can narrow down suspects by using security footage to measure things like femur or forearm length. Baggy clothes make this much harder to do, because you can’t see exactly where the joints are. It introduces a lot of reasonable doubt that your defense lawyer can use to tear apart any video evidence they present. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago And you can get a cheap used bike as well. I'm not condoning crime, but if you're going to do it, give yourself the best chance of avoiding capture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 32 points 2 years ago (8 children) Oh, and the basic - don't carry your cell phone/smart watch regardless of whether it's switched off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (7 children) Burner phone! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) it's rather easy to link a burner phone to you if you don't know exactly what you are doing. no need for a phone, don't take any risk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Could you provide examples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago* (3 children) if your travel with burner and normal phone for one hour, both switched on, cell tower registrations are in sync and both are easily linked. if your switch on your burner only occasionally at random locations, but your real phone is/was there at the same time they are linkable. to use a burner: never switch on at home leave main phone at home, switched on travel a reasonable distance before switching the burner on don't travel with people who know you and who carry a phone sim & phone mustn't be bought/topped-up in a traceable way cover cameras at all times (there are 0click exploits available to three letter agencies) don't travel in a traceable way it's possible, but certainly not trivial. also: depends on the power of your adversary, as always the personal threat model is relevant. using a burner to cheat on your spouse is not the same as using one when plotting to steal the nuclear codes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Appreciate you elaborating, but if you wouldn’t mind doing so a little more…. lol How does one “travel in a not traceable way”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago I mean... like everything this comes in many levels... go on the main road with your car, cameras will catch you. sign in with your public transport card when boarding the bus... these are obvious. use a cab, pay cash. ride a bike, change cities, change states, change countreis... depends on your threat model I guess :D permalink fedilink source parent [–] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago One thing: Turn off your phone's WiFi and Bluetooth when travelling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Burn the Tesla with the phone, gotcha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (7 children) Burner phone! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) it's rather easy to link a burner phone to you if you don't know exactly what you are doing. no need for a phone, don't take any risk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Could you provide examples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago* (3 children) if your travel with burner and normal phone for one hour, both switched on, cell tower registrations are in sync and both are easily linked. if your switch on your burner only occasionally at random locations, but your real phone is/was there at the same time they are linkable. to use a burner: never switch on at home leave main phone at home, switched on travel a reasonable distance before switching the burner on don't travel with people who know you and who carry a phone sim & phone mustn't be bought/topped-up in a traceable way cover cameras at all times (there are 0click exploits available to three letter agencies) don't travel in a traceable way it's possible, but certainly not trivial. also: depends on the power of your adversary, as always the personal threat model is relevant. using a burner to cheat on your spouse is not the same as using one when plotting to steal the nuclear codes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Appreciate you elaborating, but if you wouldn’t mind doing so a little more…. lol How does one “travel in a not traceable way”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago I mean... like everything this comes in many levels... go on the main road with your car, cameras will catch you. sign in with your public transport card when boarding the bus... these are obvious. use a cab, pay cash. ride a bike, change cities, change states, change countreis... depends on your threat model I guess :D permalink fedilink source parent [–] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago One thing: Turn off your phone's WiFi and Bluetooth when travelling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Burn the Tesla with the phone, gotcha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) it's rather easy to link a burner phone to you if you don't know exactly what you are doing. no need for a phone, don't take any risk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Could you provide examples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago* (3 children) if your travel with burner and normal phone for one hour, both switched on, cell tower registrations are in sync and both are easily linked. if your switch on your burner only occasionally at random locations, but your real phone is/was there at the same time they are linkable. to use a burner: never switch on at home leave main phone at home, switched on travel a reasonable distance before switching the burner on don't travel with people who know you and who carry a phone sim & phone mustn't be bought/topped-up in a traceable way cover cameras at all times (there are 0click exploits available to three letter agencies) don't travel in a traceable way it's possible, but certainly not trivial. also: depends on the power of your adversary, as always the personal threat model is relevant. using a burner to cheat on your spouse is not the same as using one when plotting to steal the nuclear codes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Appreciate you elaborating, but if you wouldn’t mind doing so a little more…. lol How does one “travel in a not traceable way”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago I mean... like everything this comes in many levels... go on the main road with your car, cameras will catch you. sign in with your public transport card when boarding the bus... these are obvious. use a cab, pay cash. ride a bike, change cities, change states, change countreis... depends on your threat model I guess :D permalink fedilink source parent [–] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago One thing: Turn off your phone's WiFi and Bluetooth when travelling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Could you provide examples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago* (3 children) if your travel with burner and normal phone for one hour, both switched on, cell tower registrations are in sync and both are easily linked. if your switch on your burner only occasionally at random locations, but your real phone is/was there at the same time they are linkable. to use a burner: never switch on at home leave main phone at home, switched on travel a reasonable distance before switching the burner on don't travel with people who know you and who carry a phone sim & phone mustn't be bought/topped-up in a traceable way cover cameras at all times (there are 0click exploits available to three letter agencies) don't travel in a traceable way it's possible, but certainly not trivial. also: depends on the power of your adversary, as always the personal threat model is relevant. using a burner to cheat on your spouse is not the same as using one when plotting to steal the nuclear codes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Appreciate you elaborating, but if you wouldn’t mind doing so a little more…. lol How does one “travel in a not traceable way”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago I mean... like everything this comes in many levels... go on the main road with your car, cameras will catch you. sign in with your public transport card when boarding the bus... these are obvious. use a cab, pay cash. ride a bike, change cities, change states, change countreis... depends on your threat model I guess :D permalink fedilink source parent [–] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago One thing: Turn off your phone's WiFi and Bluetooth when travelling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago* (3 children) if your travel with burner and normal phone for one hour, both switched on, cell tower registrations are in sync and both are easily linked. if your switch on your burner only occasionally at random locations, but your real phone is/was there at the same time they are linkable. to use a burner: never switch on at home leave main phone at home, switched on travel a reasonable distance before switching the burner on don't travel with people who know you and who carry a phone sim & phone mustn't be bought/topped-up in a traceable way cover cameras at all times (there are 0click exploits available to three letter agencies) don't travel in a traceable way it's possible, but certainly not trivial. also: depends on the power of your adversary, as always the personal threat model is relevant. using a burner to cheat on your spouse is not the same as using one when plotting to steal the nuclear codes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Appreciate you elaborating, but if you wouldn’t mind doing so a little more…. lol How does one “travel in a not traceable way”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago I mean... like everything this comes in many levels... go on the main road with your car, cameras will catch you. sign in with your public transport card when boarding the bus... these are obvious. use a cab, pay cash. ride a bike, change cities, change states, change countreis... depends on your threat model I guess :D permalink fedilink source parent [–] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago One thing: Turn off your phone's WiFi and Bluetooth when travelling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Appreciate you elaborating, but if you wouldn’t mind doing so a little more…. lol How does one “travel in a not traceable way”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago I mean... like everything this comes in many levels... go on the main road with your car, cameras will catch you. sign in with your public transport card when boarding the bus... these are obvious. use a cab, pay cash. ride a bike, change cities, change states, change countreis... depends on your threat model I guess :D permalink fedilink source parent [–] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago One thing: Turn off your phone's WiFi and Bluetooth when travelling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago I mean... like everything this comes in many levels... go on the main road with your car, cameras will catch you. sign in with your public transport card when boarding the bus... these are obvious. use a cab, pay cash. ride a bike, change cities, change states, change countreis... depends on your threat model I guess :D permalink fedilink source parent
[–] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago One thing: Turn off your phone's WiFi and Bluetooth when travelling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Burn the Tesla with the phone, gotcha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago Even better, wear loose generic clothes like a long black skirt and a baggy long sleeve shirt. Investigators can narrow down suspects by using security footage to measure things like femur or forearm length. Baggy clothes make this much harder to do, because you can’t see exactly where the joints are. It introduces a lot of reasonable doubt that your defense lawyer can use to tear apart any video evidence they present. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago And you can get a cheap used bike as well. I'm not condoning crime, but if you're going to do it, give yourself the best chance of avoiding capture. permalink fedilink source parent