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Protect. Moderate. Purge. Your. Sever. (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by alert@lemmy.world to c/lemmy@lemmy.ml

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Please. Captcha by default. Email domain filters. Auto-block federation from servers that don't respect. By default. Urgent.

meme not so funny

And yes, to refute some comments, this publication is being upvoted by bots. A single computer was needed, not "thousands of dollars" spent.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world 36 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Lemmy is just getting started and way too many people are talking about defederation for any reason possible. What is even the point of a federated platform if everyone's trying to defederate? If you don't like federation so much, go use Facebook or something.

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[–] Nerd02@forum.basedcount.com 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

This. Defed is not the magic weapon that will solve all your problems. Captcha and email filters should be on by default though.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Just to add to that, imagine people would start defeding email. Like WTF is that even? Defed should not even be an option.

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[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 years ago

imagine people would start defeding email

There are literally globally maintained blacklists of spam email sources. When people lease a static IP address the first thing to do is to check it against the major email blacklists.

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[–] krayj@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

It happens to email ALL THE TIME, we just call it something different when it happens to email. Evaluating email for SPAM potential is an every-day common place occurrence, and for at least the past 10 years, a factor called 'domain reputation' is part of the equation. Entire domains get spam blacklisted because they refuse to enforce rules for their users. The end result is that some domains completely refuse to accept mail from some other domains.

Blacklisting an entire domain can and does happen daily. It just doesn't have the same triggering ring as the word "defederation" has.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

It happens because spam is illegal in many countries.

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[+] Ludo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Use Facebook then. Or Reddit.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Again, go use Facebook or Reddit. They will suit your needs and wishes.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I'm not concerned about free speech. But please, leave Lemmy alone without your snowflake crap.

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[–] aski3252@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago

Did you even bother to read the sidebar and rules before you joined lemmy.world?

Lemmy.world doesn't allow for discrimination, racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. It doesn't even allow for name calling and requires posts with controversial topics to declare that it is a controversial topic.. In other words, most lemmy servers, especially the lemmy server you have chosen to join, have much stricter moderation rules than reddit, twitter, etc..

If you don't want "snowflake crap", you should probably join another instance, or host your own server where you make the rules.. And you are free to do so, but demanding that a server, which you don't own and have no control over, panders to your specific wishes seems a bit entitled..

One could even say that your attitude seems a bit "snow-flaky"..

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

What rules? The only one here disliking rules of federation is YOU. Go back to Reddit, they will welcome you with open hands.

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[+] Ludo@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

If you want defederation - go to Reddit.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Stop putting words into my mouth. Go back to Reddit, please. You will have as many chuckles there as you want. Together with likeminded echo-chamber.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

You didn't ask the question, you're trying to move the goalposts. If you have no arguments left - stop arguing. Or go back to Reddit, as I have asked way too many times right now. This is a place for everyone, not just you.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Well, good luck to you then. As a sidenote - maybe try to learn where the rules are. Because you clearly have no clue.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

You see, the problem is that you don't understand how federation works. This is not lemmy.world, this is lemmy.ml and here the rules are different.

Through this whole discussion you just showed yourself being ignorant on the topic of the discussion. Please refrain from sharing your opinions on topics you have no clue about in the future.

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[+] Ludo@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

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[–] Greenskye@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago

My understanding from the beehaw defed is that more surgical moderation tools just don't exist right now (and likely won't for awhile unless the two Lemmy devs get some major help). Admins only really have a singular nuclear option to deal with other instances that aren't able to tackle the bot problem.

Personally I don't see defederating as a bad thing. People and instances are working through who they want to be in their social network. The well managed servers will eventually rise to the top with the bot infested and draconian ones eventually falling into irrelevance.

As a user this will result in some growing pains since Lemmy currently doesn't offer a way to migrate your account. Personally I already have 3 Lemmy accounts. A good app front end that minimizes the friction from account switching would greatly help these growing pains.

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[–] antik@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

Lemmy.world has rules that are up on https://mastodon.world/about - if posts from other instances do not follow these rules the posts will be deleted and if needed the user will be warned/banned. If there is an entire instance that might be a problem, they might ultimately become defederated. Yes this is the last option, but sometimes it's also the only option. Mod and admin tools are quite limited currently and there's just some content we don't want to be linked with.

Read more about the defederation of exploding-heads.com here: https://lemmy.world/post/747912

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

EH was not defederated because it broke LW rules, it was defeded because it breaks laws. Defeding a porn instance because LW doesn't allow porn won't happen. Defeding a child porn instance will happen for sure.

You shouldn't defed some instance because their rules are different, because all rules are different. That will destroy fediverse before it starts. Everyone who disagrees simply doesn't understand the point of Fediverse.

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[–] antik@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

Did you read that post? I don't think you did because that explains the entire reasoning why it was defederated. Had nothing to do with them breaking the law.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

Ok, I guess you're from Belgium. Tell me one thing - is racism legal in Belgium? Because EH is clearly supporting and endorsing racism. That alone makes it illegal. At least here in the UK. There's no need to invent some explanation for this specific case.

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[–] antik@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

So because the rules we put on lemmy.world also match with laws - it's because of the laws we decided to not federate with them? Not because we don't want to deal with that kind of people in general? Because we personally don't like bigots, racists and homophobes? And it wasn't because we didn't want to give them a platform here? Cool, I didn't know.

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