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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This isn't disinformation unless you don't believe Zelensky.

yeah, not exactly the most unbiased source, I recon. If something is disinformation or not shouldn't really hinge on whether you believe someone, btw.

Besides that, we're talking about large scale violations.

So? Even easier to get sources, right?And even more suspicious that it doesn't ring any bells.

The sources you supplied are literally participants in the NATO/Russia conflict.

I suggest using a search engine.

Pardon my French, but: Screw you.

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[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Well the source is one of a number that document violations of the Minsk agreement. You don't just need to read that one and it's from 8 years ago I just grabbed it to show how long Russia has been ignoring their related ceasefire agreements. I think the source is relatively neutral but you are right it may have some bias, it's about as neutral as English language sources come though.

I think this post may be off in interpreting or wording because Russia has had major violations of a number of treaties, notably recently the Minsk agreement but I think Zelensky is talking about 25 major violations not 25 separate agreements.

Regardless of all of that, Russia has a very long history of not honoring their truces and ceasefires and using them as a reprieve to beef up their military forces before continuing to fight.

Your French has been pardoned but fuck you too pal.

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The source still is the US government, i.e. NATO. It can hardly be interpreted as impartial.

You're touching on why "just google it" is a horrible advice: sources in english language will emphasize the western consensus who have a vested interest in weakening Russia and are in an active economical war with Russia. it's really hard to find english speaking, impartial sources.

From what I found online, while the claims of "genocide" are blown out of proportion, Ukraine has still also violated the Minsk treaty by attacking Donbas.

I think it's important to note that I don't want to condone neither Russia, nor Ukraine. Even if everything is true about Russian minorities in the Donbas: I don't think that being conscripted is too much better. But I also think that the Ukrainian state is using its' own population as cannon-fodder to fight a proxy war for the west (if it weren't a proxy war, the changing stance of the US wouldn't be as big of a problem).

Fuck states. All of them. No war but class war.

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[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

What do you want me to say, that it's clear Russia continually violates ceasefire for the past 20 years of various nation states?

Like idk you can go find plenty of sources that say that I'm sure some won't be in English but you're not going to ever find something from Russia themselves that says "yeah we violated this shit"

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago

What do you want me to say? I already said that I don't want to excuse Russia or its' imperialism.

But I also don't think that just because Russia is an imperialist nation that you should in turn start hero-worshipping Selensky. As the interests of the Ukrainian state diverged from the interests of the Ukrainian people that it uses as cannonfodder for its national interest.

The enemy of my enemy is not automatically my friend. Two parties can be inexcusable (compare: Israel and Hamas). No war but class war.