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[–] 31 points 2 years ago* (15 children)

With the time you took to comment you could have looked it up yourself, and then with a bit more time you could have posted the sources here. You're consciously choosing to not be informed, and to do nothing yourself and expect random people to do work for you.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    We're talking about major recent history from 2014. Unless they're 12, they don't really have an excuse to be this ill informed for an entire decade. The time it took to comment is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of their time spent in willful ignorance.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    It's OP's responsibility to give sources on the issue. Don't shoot the messenger.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Not in a meme community, that's not the point of the community

    You're not a messenger, you're whining because you couldn't bother to Google something yourself

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If you insist on the "meme" aspect, how is this post even a meme??

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Learn what a meme is before commenting on the topic next time

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago*

    Two fundamental characteristics of internet memes are creative reproduction and intertextuality. Creative reproduction refers to the adaptation and transformation of a meme through imitation or parody, either by reproducing the meme in a new context ("mimicry") or by remixing the original material ("remix"). In mimicry, the meme is recreated in a different setting, as seen when different individuals replicate the viral video "Charlie Bit My Finger." Remix, on the other hand, involves technological manipulation, such as altering an image with Photoshop, while retaining elements of the original meme.

    Intertextuality in memes involves the blending of different cultural references or contexts. An example of this is the combination of U.S. politician Mitt Romney’s phrase “binders full of women” from the 2012 U.S. presidential debate with a scene from the Korean pop song “Gangnam Style.” In this case, the phrase "my binders full of women exploded" is superimposed on a frame from Psy’s music video, creating a new meaning by merging political and cultural references from distinct contexts.

    Wikipedia

    This has no element of reproduction, nor intertextuality, or am I missing some key element here?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    And you could have done the same and posted it for the rest of us instead of wagging your finger.

    Number of ceasefires: https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-gave-trump-list-of-all-ceasefires-violated-by-russia/

    Number of talks: https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3784793-kuleba-ukraine-held-200-rounds-of-talks-with-russia-since-2014-but-that-did-not-stop-putin.html

    The source for the meme appears to be a tweet from the Ukraine foreign minister. Zelensky has quoted similar numbers. These numbers are coming out of Ukrainian officials’ mouths and not 3rd party journalists and it’s not at all clear on how they’re counting since I can’t find easily any other sources.

    Side note: with how bad Google is nowadays, people should never chide anyone else for being unable to locate a source themselves again.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    "Russia violated all of the ceasefires and talks since 2014, but it is really important that the exact number is verified by 3rd parties."

    You dismissing the overall point by focusing on the absolute least important detail. If the number of talks and ceasefires is greater then zero and Russia has violated all of them, then why does it matter if there were two dozen or two hundred?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Because details fucking matter, that’s why? It matters even if the side I’m on is the one potentially exaggerating. Don’t you care to know that? Or do the facts not matter to you anymore?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Because when someone starts arguing that there were 33 violations and not 35 or something along those lines I know they are just trying to derail the discussion away from the point that matters: Russia has consistently violated ceasefires and that is why security guarantees are needed.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    That’s an assumption that it differs by only a few from the truth. What if it’s off by a factor of 2? 5? You and I do not know.

    I want to believe the Ukrainians here because it would be confirmation bias. But it would be better to have reliable numbers from an unbiased sources.

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