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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 103 points 2 years ago (29 children) Why don't we see any restaurants that make a big deal about cooking buffalo? Oh... Right. permalink fedilink source hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] Famko@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago I've always heard about this buffalo skull pile, but I didn't actually look at a picture of it. And damn, that is striking to see so many dead buffalo in one place under the heel of colonialist scumbags. Thousands upon thousands... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago (10 children) I've seen bison burgers on the menu at a few local restaurants permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yeah, the reintroduction of buffalo to America is the single most successful repopulation effort in history. Buffalo were nearly extinct in America. To start the reintroduction efforts, they had to buy a few breeding pairs from private owners who had captured them for their ranches. If I remember correctly, every buffalo in modern north America came from that group of only 3 bulls and 9 cows. And now the buffalo population has resurged to the point that they’re not even on the threatened list anymore. Their population will never reach the same point that it was at its peak (c.1700, there were an estimated 29 million buffalo in North America), but they’re at least not in danger of going extinct. They reproduce relatively quickly, and babies are likely to survive, so herds grow relatively quickly if left unmanaged. The issue with buffalo burgers (and the reason they’re not in more restaurants) is that buffalo are hard to farm commercially. They make bad animal husbandry candidates, because they’re extremely territorial and get aggressive towards people. So farming them is something that needs to be done with a lot of caution, and buffalo farms likely won’t ever reach the same kinds of sizes as modern cattle farms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago Given the climate impact of farming meat its probably for the best that they can't be farmed as easily. And yeah, I'd expect most species on Earth reached a peak before I was born and won't recover for at least decades after I'm dead, if ever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) Yeah farmed bison is certainly a specialty meat, but not a rare one. And yes, wild is an endangered species permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) Iirc a lot of the farmed bison is from bison that we hybridized with cows. So not technically the same as wild bison permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's true, although some groups are trying to preserve non "cattle ingressed" bison. Like these guys: https://americanprairie.org/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's actually really cool! Thank you for sharing a link! permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) That makes sense. I've heard you can fence in bison only if they don't care to leave. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah there's a small (5-7 bison) farm near me that uses telephone poles as fence posts, with metal fencing wrapped around 12 feet up (4m). It has serious Jurassic Park vibes permalink fedilink source parent [–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago They offically went extinct. I think there's efforts now to reintroduce them and get wild populations happening again, but some time in the 80s they were declared extinct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago Antelope Island in Salt Lake, Utah has a herd of bison that are carefully managed. There's a restaurant on the island as well that serves bison burgers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Lots of restaurants around me have Buffalo wings on the menu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Stern@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah they were domesticated and bred smaller and smaller, dang shame. Their wings used to be the size of a mans arm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And it's made them aggressive, unlike the common house hippo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Quick clarification... Buffalo will fucking kill you. Bison will also kill you, but they live in North America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Bison also live in Europe, and I'm guessing they'll also kill you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) My god that is disturbing. Would have been a very awesome source of beef if properly sustained. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] InputZero@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not really, buffalo are notoriously difficult as livestock. They're stubborn, defensive, and enormous. A buffalo is more likely to bust any fence before it can be domesticated. Cows on the other hand are pushovers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) I meant as game really, kind of like deer. Permits and such for hunting. But I appreciate your comment as I did not know any of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago You can get them, but it's not very fun since they're confined to certain regions and are super easy to kill. There's a reason they nearly went extinct... permalink fedilink source parent [–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago There's something to be said for a wild source of meat. Migratory herds disperse seeds and fertilize soil with their manure, while cutting back on overgrowth without overgrazing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Restaurants near me sell buffalo meat, like buffalo burgers, steak, etc. You can also get it at the grocery store, and it's basically leaner beef. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) its a revival but its a very long way off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Ranching buffalo is more trouble and cost over cows. It's sort of like trying to swap out your house cats for bobcats. permalink fedilink source parent [–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Proud boys. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) What happened there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Colonialism... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Buffal-oh... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Famko@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago I've always heard about this buffalo skull pile, but I didn't actually look at a picture of it. And damn, that is striking to see so many dead buffalo in one place under the heel of colonialist scumbags. Thousands upon thousands... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago (10 children) I've seen bison burgers on the menu at a few local restaurants permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yeah, the reintroduction of buffalo to America is the single most successful repopulation effort in history. Buffalo were nearly extinct in America. To start the reintroduction efforts, they had to buy a few breeding pairs from private owners who had captured them for their ranches. If I remember correctly, every buffalo in modern north America came from that group of only 3 bulls and 9 cows. And now the buffalo population has resurged to the point that they’re not even on the threatened list anymore. Their population will never reach the same point that it was at its peak (c.1700, there were an estimated 29 million buffalo in North America), but they’re at least not in danger of going extinct. They reproduce relatively quickly, and babies are likely to survive, so herds grow relatively quickly if left unmanaged. The issue with buffalo burgers (and the reason they’re not in more restaurants) is that buffalo are hard to farm commercially. They make bad animal husbandry candidates, because they’re extremely territorial and get aggressive towards people. So farming them is something that needs to be done with a lot of caution, and buffalo farms likely won’t ever reach the same kinds of sizes as modern cattle farms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago Given the climate impact of farming meat its probably for the best that they can't be farmed as easily. And yeah, I'd expect most species on Earth reached a peak before I was born and won't recover for at least decades after I'm dead, if ever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) Yeah farmed bison is certainly a specialty meat, but not a rare one. And yes, wild is an endangered species permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) Iirc a lot of the farmed bison is from bison that we hybridized with cows. So not technically the same as wild bison permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's true, although some groups are trying to preserve non "cattle ingressed" bison. Like these guys: https://americanprairie.org/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's actually really cool! Thank you for sharing a link! permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) That makes sense. I've heard you can fence in bison only if they don't care to leave. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah there's a small (5-7 bison) farm near me that uses telephone poles as fence posts, with metal fencing wrapped around 12 feet up (4m). It has serious Jurassic Park vibes permalink fedilink source parent [–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago They offically went extinct. I think there's efforts now to reintroduce them and get wild populations happening again, but some time in the 80s they were declared extinct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago Antelope Island in Salt Lake, Utah has a herd of bison that are carefully managed. There's a restaurant on the island as well that serves bison burgers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yeah, the reintroduction of buffalo to America is the single most successful repopulation effort in history. Buffalo were nearly extinct in America. To start the reintroduction efforts, they had to buy a few breeding pairs from private owners who had captured them for their ranches. If I remember correctly, every buffalo in modern north America came from that group of only 3 bulls and 9 cows. And now the buffalo population has resurged to the point that they’re not even on the threatened list anymore. Their population will never reach the same point that it was at its peak (c.1700, there were an estimated 29 million buffalo in North America), but they’re at least not in danger of going extinct. They reproduce relatively quickly, and babies are likely to survive, so herds grow relatively quickly if left unmanaged. The issue with buffalo burgers (and the reason they’re not in more restaurants) is that buffalo are hard to farm commercially. They make bad animal husbandry candidates, because they’re extremely territorial and get aggressive towards people. So farming them is something that needs to be done with a lot of caution, and buffalo farms likely won’t ever reach the same kinds of sizes as modern cattle farms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago Given the climate impact of farming meat its probably for the best that they can't be farmed as easily. And yeah, I'd expect most species on Earth reached a peak before I was born and won't recover for at least decades after I'm dead, if ever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago Given the climate impact of farming meat its probably for the best that they can't be farmed as easily. And yeah, I'd expect most species on Earth reached a peak before I was born and won't recover for at least decades after I'm dead, if ever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) Yeah farmed bison is certainly a specialty meat, but not a rare one. And yes, wild is an endangered species permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) Iirc a lot of the farmed bison is from bison that we hybridized with cows. So not technically the same as wild bison permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's true, although some groups are trying to preserve non "cattle ingressed" bison. Like these guys: https://americanprairie.org/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's actually really cool! Thank you for sharing a link! permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) That makes sense. I've heard you can fence in bison only if they don't care to leave. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah there's a small (5-7 bison) farm near me that uses telephone poles as fence posts, with metal fencing wrapped around 12 feet up (4m). It has serious Jurassic Park vibes permalink fedilink source parent [–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago They offically went extinct. I think there's efforts now to reintroduce them and get wild populations happening again, but some time in the 80s they were declared extinct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cort@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) Iirc a lot of the farmed bison is from bison that we hybridized with cows. So not technically the same as wild bison permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's true, although some groups are trying to preserve non "cattle ingressed" bison. Like these guys: https://americanprairie.org/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's actually really cool! Thank you for sharing a link! permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) That makes sense. I've heard you can fence in bison only if they don't care to leave. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah there's a small (5-7 bison) farm near me that uses telephone poles as fence posts, with metal fencing wrapped around 12 feet up (4m). It has serious Jurassic Park vibes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's true, although some groups are trying to preserve non "cattle ingressed" bison. Like these guys: https://americanprairie.org/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's actually really cool! Thank you for sharing a link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's actually really cool! Thank you for sharing a link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) That makes sense. I've heard you can fence in bison only if they don't care to leave. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah there's a small (5-7 bison) farm near me that uses telephone poles as fence posts, with metal fencing wrapped around 12 feet up (4m). It has serious Jurassic Park vibes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah there's a small (5-7 bison) farm near me that uses telephone poles as fence posts, with metal fencing wrapped around 12 feet up (4m). It has serious Jurassic Park vibes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago They offically went extinct. I think there's efforts now to reintroduce them and get wild populations happening again, but some time in the 80s they were declared extinct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago Antelope Island in Salt Lake, Utah has a herd of bison that are carefully managed. There's a restaurant on the island as well that serves bison burgers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Lots of restaurants around me have Buffalo wings on the menu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Stern@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah they were domesticated and bred smaller and smaller, dang shame. Their wings used to be the size of a mans arm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And it's made them aggressive, unlike the common house hippo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Stern@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah they were domesticated and bred smaller and smaller, dang shame. Their wings used to be the size of a mans arm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And it's made them aggressive, unlike the common house hippo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And it's made them aggressive, unlike the common house hippo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Quick clarification... Buffalo will fucking kill you. Bison will also kill you, but they live in North America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Bison also live in Europe, and I'm guessing they'll also kill you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Bison also live in Europe, and I'm guessing they'll also kill you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) My god that is disturbing. Would have been a very awesome source of beef if properly sustained. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] InputZero@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not really, buffalo are notoriously difficult as livestock. They're stubborn, defensive, and enormous. A buffalo is more likely to bust any fence before it can be domesticated. Cows on the other hand are pushovers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) I meant as game really, kind of like deer. Permits and such for hunting. But I appreciate your comment as I did not know any of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago You can get them, but it's not very fun since they're confined to certain regions and are super easy to kill. There's a reason they nearly went extinct... permalink fedilink source parent [–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago There's something to be said for a wild source of meat. Migratory herds disperse seeds and fertilize soil with their manure, while cutting back on overgrowth without overgrazing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not really, buffalo are notoriously difficult as livestock. They're stubborn, defensive, and enormous. A buffalo is more likely to bust any fence before it can be domesticated. Cows on the other hand are pushovers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) I meant as game really, kind of like deer. Permits and such for hunting. But I appreciate your comment as I did not know any of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago You can get them, but it's not very fun since they're confined to certain regions and are super easy to kill. There's a reason they nearly went extinct... permalink fedilink source parent [–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago There's something to be said for a wild source of meat. Migratory herds disperse seeds and fertilize soil with their manure, while cutting back on overgrowth without overgrazing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) I meant as game really, kind of like deer. Permits and such for hunting. But I appreciate your comment as I did not know any of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago You can get them, but it's not very fun since they're confined to certain regions and are super easy to kill. There's a reason they nearly went extinct... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago You can get them, but it's not very fun since they're confined to certain regions and are super easy to kill. There's a reason they nearly went extinct... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago There's something to be said for a wild source of meat. Migratory herds disperse seeds and fertilize soil with their manure, while cutting back on overgrowth without overgrazing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Restaurants near me sell buffalo meat, like buffalo burgers, steak, etc. You can also get it at the grocery store, and it's basically leaner beef. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) its a revival but its a very long way off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Ranching buffalo is more trouble and cost over cows. It's sort of like trying to swap out your house cats for bobcats. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) its a revival but its a very long way off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Ranching buffalo is more trouble and cost over cows. It's sort of like trying to swap out your house cats for bobcats. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Ranching buffalo is more trouble and cost over cows. It's sort of like trying to swap out your house cats for bobcats. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) What happened there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Colonialism... permalink fedilink source parent