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The United States is Falling Apart and the World is Taking Notice (www.counterpunch.org)
submitted 2 years ago by [M] to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world
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In three weeks, Donald Trump has imploded whatever positive image the United States might have had internationally.

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[–] 1 point 2 years ago (13 children)

All Harris had to do was stand for Palestine, or even something basic like healthcare for all. She would have won and it wouldnt have even been close

Because the alternative stood for Palestine or better healthcare for Muricans, right? Makes sense...

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

    So was it worth it to throw the election to stand with genocide? You were never going to beat Trump with an unpopular neoliberal candidate.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    I don't know, was it?

    you now get the genocide (even worse actually) and a fascist as president.... good job

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Then the dems should run on something, like healthcare. Otherwise it's a dying (dead) party.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    even worse actually

    No, you were just denying and downplaying the extent of the genocide when it was your team doing it.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Not my team, I'm Canadian

    Do you feel virtuous having made the genocide lot worse? Is that a win for you somehow?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If the Dems won the situation in Gaza would have been basically the exact same with the only difference being that Harris wouldn't have been talking about the US personally taking control of Gaza. Biden was 100% in support of the genocide and so was Harris and the rest of the Dem leadership.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I ask again, so this is a win for you?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    All I'm saying is there was no win for the Palestinians. The genocide isn't "worse" now that Trump's in charge. It was going to be the same either way.

    Also if you're under the impression that Trump won because pro-Palestine voters refused to vote for Harris then you're mistaken. The uncommitted movement's objective was not to refuse to vote for Harris for president, they voted "uncommitted" during the primaries. That's where the name comes from.

    Harris lost because the liberal order is driving the US to ruin and Trump didn't ignore how bad things were getting, like the Dems do, and he promised to shake up the regular, liberal order of things which doesn't work for a massive amount of Americans. Obviously he was lying, but his rhetoric inspired people. The Dems offered NOTHING except not being Trump. Not very inspirational. Problem is, pro-Trump propaganda was too well funded and too wide-spread and most voters just don't pay very much attention to politics.

    The Dems have nobody to blame for their failure but themselves. Fascism isn't bred on its own out of nowhere. The failures of liberal governance created the conditions for far-right extremism to take hold and the Dems refused to meet the moment by offering real solutions for the people of America.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    You know Biden offered the exact same plan as Trump of the US taking over Gaza Unless you liberals start to learn the systemic causes of the US's deterioration instead of individual voters, you're going to forever be caught flat-footed as the US continues to get worse and vote in fascism. Even if you're Canadian, this shit is going to start to affect you too, because your country is also pretty capitalist and Neo-liberal.

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