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The United States is Falling Apart and the World is Taking Notice (www.counterpunch.org)
submitted 2 years ago by [M] to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world
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In three weeks, Donald Trump has imploded whatever positive image the United States might have had internationally.

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[–] 10 points 2 years ago* (29 children)

All Harris had to do was stand for Palestine, or even something basic like healthcare for all. She would have won and it wouldnt have even been close. But she didnt. You had an extremely unpopular neoliberal that you thought was going to beat Trump?

Was it worth it to throw the election because of zero progressive policy?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    No it was not worth it. Biden should have stuck to one term president, there should have been a primary. Kamala was so embarrassing with her line of "fundamentally, nothing will change" when asked how she would be different from Biden.

    I don't care for the Democrats. Kamala's campaign was misguided. Continued unwavering support for fascist apartheid Israel. Democrats always reaching right for more votes while the left is right fucking here if you'll throw us a goddamn bone!

    That being said, if you didn't vote for her you have literally caused what is happening now.

    Palestine saved! USA destroyed! Mission Accomplished!

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Run on healthcare and you win, the dems cant even do that yet you blame the people and not the system, pathetic.

    Keep burying your head in the sand and see how much better it will get

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I'm wide awake. I used to travel for work and now I'm staying home so I have my rifle ready.

    Everyone knows what Trump is! I feel like I'm screaming into the void. His cult loves what he is, the other oligarchs love what co prez Elon is up to!

    "Blue maga, genocide Joe" has disappeared because it was an op. Leaving us with the useful idiots who parroted that shit.

    As I've said several times I hate the fucking democrats! They learned absolutely nothing from when the republicans were the opposition. Do nothing, sit on your hands, threaten to shutdown the government. Over and over.

    If you voted for anyone but Kamala you knew what Trump was going to be. Got them clean hands. Hope they stay clean of others' blood and don't end up catching your own life spilling through your fingers when the SS shows up.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    “Blue maga, genocide Joe” has disappeared because it was an op. Leaving us with the useful idiots who parroted that shit.

    No we haven't, we're absolutely still here. And no, it was not "an op", you conspiracy theorist.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    bidens no surprise billing was a significant improvement to obama care. they did not run on it as a single issue but its nuts that anyone would not want to keep stuff like that going as opposed to when trump was last in and kicked out one of the legs.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (13 children)

    All Harris had to do was stand for Palestine, or even something basic like healthcare for all. She would have won and it wouldnt have even been close

    Because the alternative stood for Palestine or better healthcare for Muricans, right? Makes sense...

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

    So was it worth it to throw the election to stand with genocide? You were never going to beat Trump with an unpopular neoliberal candidate.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    I don't know, was it?

    you now get the genocide (even worse actually) and a fascist as president.... good job

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Then the dems should run on something, like healthcare. Otherwise it's a dying (dead) party.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    even worse actually

    No, you were just denying and downplaying the extent of the genocide when it was your team doing it.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Not my team, I'm Canadian

    Do you feel virtuous having made the genocide lot worse? Is that a win for you somehow?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If the Dems won the situation in Gaza would have been basically the exact same with the only difference being that Harris wouldn't have been talking about the US personally taking control of Gaza. Biden was 100% in support of the genocide and so was Harris and the rest of the Dem leadership.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I ask again, so this is a win for you?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    All I'm saying is there was no win for the Palestinians. The genocide isn't "worse" now that Trump's in charge. It was going to be the same either way.

    Also if you're under the impression that Trump won because pro-Palestine voters refused to vote for Harris then you're mistaken. The uncommitted movement's objective was not to refuse to vote for Harris for president, they voted "uncommitted" during the primaries. That's where the name comes from.

    Harris lost because the liberal order is driving the US to ruin and Trump didn't ignore how bad things were getting, like the Dems do, and he promised to shake up the regular, liberal order of things which doesn't work for a massive amount of Americans. Obviously he was lying, but his rhetoric inspired people. The Dems offered NOTHING except not being Trump. Not very inspirational. Problem is, pro-Trump propaganda was too well funded and too wide-spread and most voters just don't pay very much attention to politics.

    The Dems have nobody to blame for their failure but themselves. Fascism isn't bred on its own out of nowhere. The failures of liberal governance created the conditions for far-right extremism to take hold and the Dems refused to meet the moment by offering real solutions for the people of America.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    You know Biden offered the exact same plan as Trump of the US taking over Gaza Unless you liberals start to learn the systemic causes of the US's deterioration instead of individual voters, you're going to forever be caught flat-footed as the US continues to get worse and vote in fascism. Even if you're Canadian, this shit is going to start to affect you too, because your country is also pretty capitalist and Neo-liberal.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    You really think Palestine would have pushed Kamala over?

    Most Americans don’t even know what’s going on over there.

    TBH I don’t think any policy would’ve mattered, Kamala’s problem was they campaigned like it’s 1950 instead of 2024. Look at any poll exit interview, and you’ll see pretty much everyone has their reality completely warped, and whatever Kamala was proposing did not matter.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    You are hallucinating. Harris is a woman and she's black. The racist misogynist US will not elect a woman as POTUS in the years I've got left. Much less a black woman. I saw an interview with some 2020 Biden voters from Philly. When asked if they were going to vote for Harris, they all said something along the lines of "No, it's too much power to give a woman.". They'd rather have a treasonous felon as POTUS than a competent and comparatively honest woman. It's morally laudable that the Dems will run minority candidates, but in these racist misogynistic United States, it's a guaranteed loss.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Yeah the racism here is beyond fucked, and agree was also another reason she lost. How am I hallucinating? If she stood for anything I said she could have really won. You cant be that unpopular and stand for nothing and expect to win.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    If she stood for anything? How about if you read what she wanted to do, you’d not say something so stupid. Granted, it was damn near impossible to find what she wanted to do by the mass media.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    She didnt even stand for healthcare my dude lmao, she stood for nothing. Spineless.

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