▲ 396 ▼ Volkswagen has been collecting geolocation data from their smart cars, which were accidentally made public (infosec.exchange) submitted 2 years ago by BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world 60 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 30 points 2 years ago (3 children) all their electric cars ... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) All new cars permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 14 points 2 years ago It doesn't say 'new'. It says in both the source tweet and linked event scheduling description 'electric cars'. Not new, not all... electric. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Electric cars are more associated with smart junk but most of it is in newer ICE cars as well. What engine the car has is of little relevance to the computer system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does my 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV count as an EV in this case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) PHEV Electric is in the name... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oh, fuck off with your sarcastic answers, sometimes a PHEV does count as an EV, other times it absolutely does not count. So where does it state that PHEVs are counted in this case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey it looks like some other guy didn't help you much. I'm not going to help much either but I'd imagine that if your model has any kind of smart infotainment type of thing then it's probably being tracked. I mean, from a business perspective, why wouldn't you? It'd be lovely to have systems that allow you to navigate, take photos, listen to music, contact friends...without spying on you. Sadly, I don't think companies see such things as being in their interests. If you do find a list anywhere, I'd be interested to know. I don't have a VW - just a petrol ford focus, but I imagine that my data is being collected in much the same way as this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect as much. Still, it would be nice to get a clear yes/no answer. I am already certain that my car is one of those privacy nightmares as reported on by Mozilla, and it would be good to know how screwed I actually am. As for why a car maker wouldn't track the car and spy on the occupants, GDPR is a huge reason, I just hope that it gets used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes - I don't think it's a stretch to say that legislation is our best hope here. Not in my country, mind you, where I guarantee you that all we will get is lip-service to privacy, data protection, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) .... The. Name. Does. Not. Mean. Anything. Unless. Specified. Directly. For fuck sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That. Is. My. Point. The. Seat. Leon. Mk4. Exists. In. Both. A. Normal. Petrol. Version. And. A. PHEV. Version. The rest of the car is the same, so is it included? You could just not have replied at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It. Has. A combustion. Engine. Inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 0 points 2 years ago Because it is an electric vehicle with a generator. Hence why it wasn't named a PHCE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) All new cars permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 14 points 2 years ago It doesn't say 'new'. It says in both the source tweet and linked event scheduling description 'electric cars'. Not new, not all... electric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 14 points 2 years ago It doesn't say 'new'. It says in both the source tweet and linked event scheduling description 'electric cars'. Not new, not all... electric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Electric cars are more associated with smart junk but most of it is in newer ICE cars as well. What engine the car has is of little relevance to the computer system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does my 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV count as an EV in this case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) PHEV Electric is in the name... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oh, fuck off with your sarcastic answers, sometimes a PHEV does count as an EV, other times it absolutely does not count. So where does it state that PHEVs are counted in this case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey it looks like some other guy didn't help you much. I'm not going to help much either but I'd imagine that if your model has any kind of smart infotainment type of thing then it's probably being tracked. I mean, from a business perspective, why wouldn't you? It'd be lovely to have systems that allow you to navigate, take photos, listen to music, contact friends...without spying on you. Sadly, I don't think companies see such things as being in their interests. If you do find a list anywhere, I'd be interested to know. I don't have a VW - just a petrol ford focus, but I imagine that my data is being collected in much the same way as this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect as much. Still, it would be nice to get a clear yes/no answer. I am already certain that my car is one of those privacy nightmares as reported on by Mozilla, and it would be good to know how screwed I actually am. As for why a car maker wouldn't track the car and spy on the occupants, GDPR is a huge reason, I just hope that it gets used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes - I don't think it's a stretch to say that legislation is our best hope here. Not in my country, mind you, where I guarantee you that all we will get is lip-service to privacy, data protection, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) .... The. Name. Does. Not. Mean. Anything. Unless. Specified. Directly. For fuck sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That. Is. My. Point. The. Seat. Leon. Mk4. Exists. In. Both. A. Normal. Petrol. Version. And. A. PHEV. Version. The rest of the car is the same, so is it included? You could just not have replied at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It. Has. A combustion. Engine. Inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 0 points 2 years ago Because it is an electric vehicle with a generator. Hence why it wasn't named a PHCE permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) PHEV Electric is in the name... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oh, fuck off with your sarcastic answers, sometimes a PHEV does count as an EV, other times it absolutely does not count. So where does it state that PHEVs are counted in this case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey it looks like some other guy didn't help you much. I'm not going to help much either but I'd imagine that if your model has any kind of smart infotainment type of thing then it's probably being tracked. I mean, from a business perspective, why wouldn't you? It'd be lovely to have systems that allow you to navigate, take photos, listen to music, contact friends...without spying on you. Sadly, I don't think companies see such things as being in their interests. If you do find a list anywhere, I'd be interested to know. I don't have a VW - just a petrol ford focus, but I imagine that my data is being collected in much the same way as this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect as much. Still, it would be nice to get a clear yes/no answer. I am already certain that my car is one of those privacy nightmares as reported on by Mozilla, and it would be good to know how screwed I actually am. As for why a car maker wouldn't track the car and spy on the occupants, GDPR is a huge reason, I just hope that it gets used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes - I don't think it's a stretch to say that legislation is our best hope here. Not in my country, mind you, where I guarantee you that all we will get is lip-service to privacy, data protection, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) .... The. Name. Does. Not. Mean. Anything. Unless. Specified. Directly. For fuck sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That. Is. My. Point. The. Seat. Leon. Mk4. Exists. In. Both. A. Normal. Petrol. Version. And. A. PHEV. Version. The rest of the car is the same, so is it included? You could just not have replied at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It. Has. A combustion. Engine. Inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 0 points 2 years ago Because it is an electric vehicle with a generator. Hence why it wasn't named a PHCE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oh, fuck off with your sarcastic answers, sometimes a PHEV does count as an EV, other times it absolutely does not count. So where does it state that PHEVs are counted in this case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey it looks like some other guy didn't help you much. I'm not going to help much either but I'd imagine that if your model has any kind of smart infotainment type of thing then it's probably being tracked. I mean, from a business perspective, why wouldn't you? It'd be lovely to have systems that allow you to navigate, take photos, listen to music, contact friends...without spying on you. Sadly, I don't think companies see such things as being in their interests. If you do find a list anywhere, I'd be interested to know. I don't have a VW - just a petrol ford focus, but I imagine that my data is being collected in much the same way as this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect as much. Still, it would be nice to get a clear yes/no answer. I am already certain that my car is one of those privacy nightmares as reported on by Mozilla, and it would be good to know how screwed I actually am. As for why a car maker wouldn't track the car and spy on the occupants, GDPR is a huge reason, I just hope that it gets used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes - I don't think it's a stretch to say that legislation is our best hope here. Not in my country, mind you, where I guarantee you that all we will get is lip-service to privacy, data protection, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) .... The. Name. Does. Not. Mean. Anything. Unless. Specified. Directly. For fuck sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That. Is. My. Point. The. Seat. Leon. Mk4. Exists. In. Both. A. Normal. Petrol. Version. And. A. PHEV. Version. The rest of the car is the same, so is it included? You could just not have replied at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] onlym3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey it looks like some other guy didn't help you much. I'm not going to help much either but I'd imagine that if your model has any kind of smart infotainment type of thing then it's probably being tracked. I mean, from a business perspective, why wouldn't you? It'd be lovely to have systems that allow you to navigate, take photos, listen to music, contact friends...without spying on you. Sadly, I don't think companies see such things as being in their interests. If you do find a list anywhere, I'd be interested to know. I don't have a VW - just a petrol ford focus, but I imagine that my data is being collected in much the same way as this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect as much. Still, it would be nice to get a clear yes/no answer. I am already certain that my car is one of those privacy nightmares as reported on by Mozilla, and it would be good to know how screwed I actually am. As for why a car maker wouldn't track the car and spy on the occupants, GDPR is a huge reason, I just hope that it gets used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes - I don't think it's a stretch to say that legislation is our best hope here. Not in my country, mind you, where I guarantee you that all we will get is lip-service to privacy, data protection, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect as much. Still, it would be nice to get a clear yes/no answer. I am already certain that my car is one of those privacy nightmares as reported on by Mozilla, and it would be good to know how screwed I actually am. As for why a car maker wouldn't track the car and spy on the occupants, GDPR is a huge reason, I just hope that it gets used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] onlym3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes - I don't think it's a stretch to say that legislation is our best hope here. Not in my country, mind you, where I guarantee you that all we will get is lip-service to privacy, data protection, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] onlym3@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes - I don't think it's a stretch to say that legislation is our best hope here. Not in my country, mind you, where I guarantee you that all we will get is lip-service to privacy, data protection, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) .... The. Name. Does. Not. Mean. Anything. Unless. Specified. Directly. For fuck sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That. Is. My. Point. The. Seat. Leon. Mk4. Exists. In. Both. A. Normal. Petrol. Version. And. A. PHEV. Version. The rest of the car is the same, so is it included? You could just not have replied at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) .... The. Name. Does. Not. Mean. Anything. Unless. Specified. Directly. For fuck sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That. Is. My. Point. The. Seat. Leon. Mk4. Exists. In. Both. A. Normal. Petrol. Version. And. A. PHEV. Version. The rest of the car is the same, so is it included? You could just not have replied at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That. Is. My. Point. The. Seat. Leon. Mk4. Exists. In. Both. A. Normal. Petrol. Version. And. A. PHEV. Version. The rest of the car is the same, so is it included? You could just not have replied at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That. Is. My. Point. The. Seat. Leon. Mk4. Exists. In. Both. A. Normal. Petrol. Version. And. A. PHEV. Version. The rest of the car is the same, so is it included? You could just not have replied at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It. Has. A combustion. Engine. Inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 0 points 2 years ago Because it is an electric vehicle with a generator. Hence why it wasn't named a PHCE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 0 points 2 years ago Because it is an electric vehicle with a generator. Hence why it wasn't named a PHCE permalink fedilink source parent