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Opinions on Marijuana Legalization or on Cannabis in general? (lemmygrad.ml)
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I can definitely understand peoples’ issues with it being consumed, especially in a political context, but how do yall feel about “weed”? I won’t hide my feelings, I am very much pro-weed, it’s not great that I started in my mid-teens but in my area it’s FAR from uncommon. I don’t smoke daily or anything, I’m not addicted to it (people say it’s non-habit forming but any drug can be addictive with enough frequent usage) but I do smoke and dab w/ friends often. That’s not why I believe in legalization tho, my main thing is you shouldn’t make a naturally occurring plant an illegal substance. I’d point to the DEA’s destructive (legal) burning of thousands of naturally occurring marijuana plants found in nature; This seems eco-fascist to me and to deny the uses of hemp as a production material seems dogmatic to me. The USSR used hemp for industrial purposes during the war and it helped in a major way. I’m sure most of us are familiar with the badge given for Hemp growers. If you have any criticisms, I’m more than open to it, but I feel that marijuana won’t be easy to get rid of in future society and would probably be put to use in different more productive ways.

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[–] 7 points 3 years ago (8 children)

I'm not sure that I agree that this is a result of prohibition. There are many factors that play into the cause of drug epidemics. The opioid epidemic for example is a direct result of the profit motive taking precedence over the good of society. The drug in question here is prohibited to those without a prescription. Many people also turn to drugs to escape the horrendous conditions that capitalism creates for them.

Additionally, prohibition creates unregulated black markets. The only way to do away with this is by regulating access through legal channels.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Again my point, drugs are the weapon in the class war. Pity that so many socialists like getting hit with it so much. Anyways, i feel like we are discussing two different things. In DoTP they should be forbidden at least for so long as capitalist drug states like USA exist and use it like a weapon. And sure as hell communists should advocate againt drug usage.

    The only way to do away with this is by regulating access through legal channels.

    Like in the case of alcohol?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    drugs are the weapon in the class war

    They're one of many, sure. The bourgeoisie use drugs too btw. They just have access to education, clean supply, and support for addiction.

    In DoTP they should be forbidden at least for so long as capitalist drug states like USA exist and use it like a weapon.

    Drugs are mostly prohibited around the world, but that doesn't stop the American cartel from using it like a weapon basically everywhere in the global south.

    And sure as hell communists should advocate againt drug usage.

    In contrast to the negatives, I think there's a lot of positive effects and experiences that drugs have to offer so I have to disagree with you on this.

    Like in the case of alcohol?

    In short yes. Different drugs should be regulated differently based on many different factors.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    They’re one of many, sure. The bourgeoisie use drugs too btw. They just have access to education, clean supply, and support for addiction.

    Yes, they also have access to better healthcare in general and their jobs are lighter but it's not argument to drop health and job safeties for the workers.

    Drugs are mostly prohibited around the world, but that doesn’t stop the American cartel from using it like a weapon basically everywhere in the global south.

    Indeed but again it's not because drugs are magic, it's because those countries are too weak and too compradorish to effectively fight it if even there is a real will. Socialist countries, even small and weak ones had no problem.

    In contrast to the negatives, I think there’s a lot of positive effects and experiences that drugs have to offer so I have to disagree with you on this.

    Wew. Outside of medical usage, which already is (very poorly in some cases, like US opioid epidemic) and should be regulated by medical regulations, there are no positives to drugs except recreation tool, which can be achieved on countless other methods. Unless you advocate for amphetamine crunch, go go worker class, work harder for your boss. "Experiences" uh huh, no thanks.

    In short yes. Different drugs should be regulated differently based on many different factors.

    Here i will agree to the principle but most likely not to the degree.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Yes, they also have access to better healthcare in general and their jobs are lighter but it's not argument to drop health and job safeties for the workers.

    I'm happy to discuss our differences of opinions in good faith, but please don't try and trick me into defending a position that I never took. This is a common tactic that liberals use and we have to be better than that.

    I think that this idea that drugs are only harmful for society comes from either:

    1. Bourgeois ideology that's taught to us both subliminally and directly through our education systems and then internalized by us throughout our lives
    2. Generational trauma like in the case of China and its history with it being used as a weapon to harm their society

    Yes certainly, drugs can be harmful, but to outright dismiss them as only harmful (except in medicine as you stated) is not scientific.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    I’m happy to discuss our differences of opinions in good faith, but please don’t try and trick me into defending a position that I never took. This is a common tactic that liberals use and we have to be better than that.

    I'm not tricking you, you did used argument muddling the class conditions.

    Yes certainly, drugs can be harmful, but to outright dismiss them as only harmful (except in medicine as you stated) is not scientific.

    It precisely is scientific, there is tons upon tons of research about the adverse effect of drugs, coming from both capitalist and socialist researchers. Numbers of which greatly outweights the research about positive non-medical effects. Not to mention basically every article about positive effect of drugs i ever read comes from bourgeois background. Which is yet another thing to consider that the recreational drug advocates do appear to be overwhelmingly bourgeois.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I'm not tricking you, you did used argument muddling the class conditions.

    I never advocated for dropping health and safety protections for workers. This is what your comment conveys even if it was done unintentionally.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You wrote:

    They’re one of many, sure. The bourgeoisie use drugs too btw. They just have access to education, clean supply, and support for addiction.

    You used this as argument for legalisation of drugs. I responded that the bourgeoisie generally have better healthcare and safeties yet nobody would use this as argument for liberalisation the safety regulations for workers, yet it is for some reason argument for liberalising the drugs regulation?

    Also i couldn't care less of burgies poisoning themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    I suppose I could have been more clear, but my point was that the ruling class can use pretty much anything as a weapon against the suppressed class and certainly do in this case. I'm not advocating against prohibition just because the current ruling class doesn't practice it themselves.

    Prohibition has hampered our ability to effectively study and understand the effects of drugs in many cases. A scientific approach would attempt to study the least harmful ways to introduce legalization with regulation and praxis would lead to improvements over time.

    Advocating against prohibition also doesn't mean we just make it legal for anyone to possess and distribute in any amount. Distribution should be tightly controlled by the state and anyone caught in possession of excess amounts or unregulated products should be dealt with legally if the intent is distribution, or medically if they're feeding an addiction.

    I can understand why some would look at other states with a DotP as a compelling reason to advocate for prohibition. That I'm aware, there has never been one that practiced anything else, but do correct me if I'm wrong. I also think that China's stance on this is completely reasonable considering their history. But China's leadership is not one to attempt to press their ideology on others and consistently advocates for the others finding their own way.

    Perhaps we won't come to an agreement on this. I suspect that you and I have had drastically different experiences with drugs which leads to us having our own personal biases and this is unavoidable. I just hope that when the revolution comes, that this is something that will be open for discussion instead of just outright banned.

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