Lets take a little break from politics and have us a real atheist conversation.

Personally, I'm open to the idea of the existence of supernatural phenomena, and I believe mainstream religions are actually complicated incomplete stories full of misinterpretations, misunderstandings, and half-truths.

Basically, I think that these stories are not as simple and straightforward as they seem to be to religious people. I feel like there is a lot more to them. Concluding that all these stories are just made up or came out of nowhere is kind of hard for me.

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[–] 7 points 2 years ago (19 children)

I don't believe in "supernatural phenomena" either. If they'd exist, we'd actually have prove of their existence. There's about 8 billion people on this planet and for some reason all the "recorded" phenomena date back to before everyone had an easy to record device in their pockets. They've all gone down to 0 for some odd reason, even though it is as easy as ever to actually provide literal proof - if they existed in the first place.

People who experience supernatural phenomena are experiencing either natural phenomena they are too stupid to understand, are fooled by man made things, or are hallucinating for whatever reason.

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  • [+] [S] -9 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    The reason why you don't see in supernatural phenomena is because those who experience it don't report it, because of the stigmatization surrounding the subject. If you say you saw something supernatural and reported it, people will ridicule you, or call you crazy. If video evidence is provided, it's fake or edited. There are however videos featuring things that cannot be explained rationally, opening the door to potential supernatural explanations.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "let's talk about a topic. But I'm gonna tell you you're wrong with no evidence"

    Weird way to spend your time, but hey, at least you got a hobby. I'm just an idiot replying to a reply of a weird hobby.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    There are like 9 ghost hunting TV shows on Hulu, probably. Belief in the supernatural isn't some underground fringe theory that will get you shunned or locked up. There are oodles of people out there that earnestly believe in spirits and psychics and auras and reincarnation and witchcraft and whatever the fuck else people can come up with to either

    a.) make sense of a world they don't understand or b.) help them feel like they have more control in a world that makes them feel powerless

    And each of them would be absolutely thrilled if there was some incontrovertible proof of their particular flavor of magic, but there isn't, and those people are suckers. If you're willing to believe that there's any amount of paranormal shit going on in the world, despite having no proof of it, you might want to reevaluate your position as an atheist. I know I would.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    There are however videos featuring things that cannot be explained rationally

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_effect

    Also

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(illusion)

    I saw David Copperfield walk through the Great Wall of China on live TV. I don't think he actually walked through the Great Wall of China. I also don't think he made the Statue of Liberty disappear.

    I also saw Teller of Penn and Teller drown in a water tank with my own eyes at a live show and he stayed there, dead and unmoving, for the entire intermission. Then he was back on stage a few minutes later.

    I do not think Teller drowned and came back from the dead even though that is exactly what I saw.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Yeah, most unexplained videos go through verifications to make sure it's not FX, and when it's not, it's how they end up unexplained. This is especially common in the UFO community.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    Verification by whom? Why should that person or people be trusted? Do they already have a bias towards believing in the supernatural?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (8 children)
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Now you're just lying. The Pentagon has done no such thing. The closest they have even come to what you are claiming is saying they can't explain it.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    Yes, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Unexplained. That means that The Pentagon has tried to figure out what they were looking at, but they left it as unexplained. We've also had many UAP hearings in congress where they disclosed a bunch of UFOs, and alien stuff. Anyway, yeah. The US govt is embracing the possible existence of extraterrestrial life running around here on Earth.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    No. This is what you said:

    Yeah, most unexplained videos go through verifications to make sure it’s not FX, and when it’s not, it’s how they end up unexplained. This is especially common in the UFO community.

    Then I asked who did that and you said:

    The Pentagon.

    They did not do that, you're just lying.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    But they are the ones who released those videos of US navy pilots encountering a UFO, and labeled it as unexplained. Why are you saying that I'm lying?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Again, this was your claim:

    Yeah, most unexplained videos go through verifications to make sure it’s not FX, and when it’s not, it’s how they end up unexplained. This is especially common in the UFO community.

    The U.S. military did not do that. Period. It is a lie to claim it did.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ok lmao. You just keep saying I'm lying but won't say why. It's not that hard to look up 'Pentagon UFO footage'.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I am literally saying why. They did not verify them to make sure it's not special effects. They didn't because there's no way to do that. I can tell you that as someone who has worked in video production and post-production for over 20 years.

    It is simply a lie. They never did that. Looking up "Pentagon UFO footage" will not make it possible to verify such a thing. Also, I happen to know what you're talking about and they never said anything about verifying they were all not special effects because, again, there's no way to do that.

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