▲ 637 ▼ Subscriptions Are Ruining Our Lives. Here's Why They're Everywhere Now. | You'll own nothing and you'll be happy! (www.youtube.com) submitted 2 years ago* by trespasser69@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 160 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] demesisx@infosec.pub 88 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nanabaz2@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Yea. Still use my full suite $200 adobe from being student. Like what, a decade old at this point? permalink fedilink source parent [–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I pay for music streaming on Tidal. I have a pretty big library of music from attempts to get away from streaming (and keep it up on Soulseek), but I use curated playlists too much to get away from streaming permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I definitely don't recommend that you look up Tidal downloaders that allow users to keep the music they want from the service. You definitely don't want to build a whole digital library that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Boycott rent seeking companies That's all of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] catloaf@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (8 children) God forbid a programmer be compensated for their labor. I mean yeah, subscription services are shitty, but what's wrong with lifetime purchases? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) As a programmer, and an open source one paid handsomely, fuck subscriptions and asshole software companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) How do you get paid handsomely for open source? What's your funding model? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The customers (multinational and middle size companies, ranging from telecoms, banks, governments, goods and services) pay for support and features of the software. Software has always bugs and CVEs that need fixing, or new features, or needs for securing its supply chain (with SLSA, SBOMs, etc). There's a handful multibillionarie companies that follow this approach with open source: Red Hat, SUSE, Canonical, VMware, etc. Particularly in cloud-native tech like Kubernetes and all that gets deployed on top of it. If a technology is not open source it really doesn't exist anymore. Customers have learned from the last 30 years and run away from vendor lock-in (AWS, AKS, Google cloud services..). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I program with open source stacks too. I thought you were referring to a specific FOSS app or SaaS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, my employer pays me to maintain 100% of the time a specific security project that is deployed on Kubernetes. The project is donated to the CNCF (part to the Linux foundation), and my employer doesn't push any of us in the team to work on any specifics, just to keep improving it in general. All development happens in the open, including slack chats, etc. (Would be happy to share the specific project, written in Rust mainly, but I don't want to doxx this specific Lemmy account :D) permalink fedilink source parent [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) According to Wikipedia, he's actually a criminal defense attorney in California, and also "The Fish", original lead guitarist for Country Joe and the Fish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Mmh, and if I go by your nickname, you are Jason Kaye, influential hardcore DJ and dead since a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I also appear on any graph that shows the months between July and January abbreviated by the first letter of the month. permalink fedilink source parent [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) You buy a pair of shoes, the maker is paid. Why do you have to pay the bastard every month? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Samuel Vimes nodding permalink fedilink source parent [–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago I mean yeah, subscription services are shitty, but what’s wrong with lifetime purchases? This thread is about subscriptions. So I'd assume that when people talk about 'rent seeking companies' etc, they are referring to subscription payments rather than lifetime purchases. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mojave@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I am a programmer, and I get paid whether or not the product is bought. Shovel your dogshit somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) That's a pretty short term view though, no? Presumably if an expected revenue stream does not generate flow to supplant the initial capital outlay, said business will not be a going concern for long? I'm not defending subscription models at all, they're corrosive to the economy, but your comment had me curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mojave@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am a tech consumer and enthusiast first. I am a corporate shill sellout second. I wish for bad practices in the tech community to die, even if it's my own company doing it. My concern as an engineer is that the product gets made well. I have no say or control over how the business cretins and marketing scumbags decide to destroy the company through terrible unethical practices like charging SaaS for completely self-contained software. The short term view is that you need to keep a company afloat. Businesses should fail if they deliver products in awful ways. Yes, if the company fails, I will lose my job, and that is okay. It would be through no fault of my own, or really even the customers who wouldn't pay for my company's product. It would be the fault of the business decisions that were made. And the product landscape would then open up after my company's failure. For example, if Adobe would finally fucking die then we may actually see better products on the PDF, and photo/video editing market. No more monopoly on sub-par creative cloud products. The more realistic long term view is that software engineers will be okay if their company fails. The overwhelming majority are smart, get paid extremely well, and exist in a field that needs their manpower. They will be able to find a new job much easier than other fields. The tech community will not be okay long-term if bad companies cannot fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Completely understand your viewpoint. I'm also aware though that there is a heavy saturation right now (at least in the DMV, which has historically been a bellwether for the greater economy) of both IT and bioscience/biotech industries. Both fields that also require very smart, educated, and experienced workers. So, I'm saying that things can shift quickly, and workers are always on the losing end, so it pays to note how the winds are blowing, regardless of current status. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're conflating two separate things. I make a distinction between understanding the inherent friction of Labor and Capital along with a broad and deep awareness of the stacked playing field, and also keeping oneself employed by necessity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah thanks for the insight permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] variants@possumpat.io 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Adobe still has lifetime purchases? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago This doesn’t really make sense. Programmers are usually just paid a salary. My salary is the same regardless of how many subscribers there are. I don’t give a shit. If everyone started pirating everything it wouldn’t really impact my job. There’s plenty of dev work to do. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nanabaz2@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Yea. Still use my full suite $200 adobe from being student. Like what, a decade old at this point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nanabaz2@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Yea. Still use my full suite $200 adobe from being student. Like what, a decade old at this point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I pay for music streaming on Tidal. I have a pretty big library of music from attempts to get away from streaming (and keep it up on Soulseek), but I use curated playlists too much to get away from streaming permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I definitely don't recommend that you look up Tidal downloaders that allow users to keep the music they want from the service. You definitely don't want to build a whole digital library that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I definitely don't recommend that you look up Tidal downloaders that allow users to keep the music they want from the service. You definitely don't want to build a whole digital library that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Boycott rent seeking companies That's all of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (8 children) God forbid a programmer be compensated for their labor. I mean yeah, subscription services are shitty, but what's wrong with lifetime purchases? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) As a programmer, and an open source one paid handsomely, fuck subscriptions and asshole software companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) How do you get paid handsomely for open source? What's your funding model? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The customers (multinational and middle size companies, ranging from telecoms, banks, governments, goods and services) pay for support and features of the software. Software has always bugs and CVEs that need fixing, or new features, or needs for securing its supply chain (with SLSA, SBOMs, etc). There's a handful multibillionarie companies that follow this approach with open source: Red Hat, SUSE, Canonical, VMware, etc. Particularly in cloud-native tech like Kubernetes and all that gets deployed on top of it. If a technology is not open source it really doesn't exist anymore. Customers have learned from the last 30 years and run away from vendor lock-in (AWS, AKS, Google cloud services..). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I program with open source stacks too. I thought you were referring to a specific FOSS app or SaaS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, my employer pays me to maintain 100% of the time a specific security project that is deployed on Kubernetes. The project is donated to the CNCF (part to the Linux foundation), and my employer doesn't push any of us in the team to work on any specifics, just to keep improving it in general. All development happens in the open, including slack chats, etc. (Would be happy to share the specific project, written in Rust mainly, but I don't want to doxx this specific Lemmy account :D) permalink fedilink source parent [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) According to Wikipedia, he's actually a criminal defense attorney in California, and also "The Fish", original lead guitarist for Country Joe and the Fish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Mmh, and if I go by your nickname, you are Jason Kaye, influential hardcore DJ and dead since a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I also appear on any graph that shows the months between July and January abbreviated by the first letter of the month. permalink fedilink source parent [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) You buy a pair of shoes, the maker is paid. Why do you have to pay the bastard every month? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Samuel Vimes nodding permalink fedilink source parent [–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago I mean yeah, subscription services are shitty, but what’s wrong with lifetime purchases? This thread is about subscriptions. So I'd assume that when people talk about 'rent seeking companies' etc, they are referring to subscription payments rather than lifetime purchases. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mojave@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I am a programmer, and I get paid whether or not the product is bought. Shovel your dogshit somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) That's a pretty short term view though, no? Presumably if an expected revenue stream does not generate flow to supplant the initial capital outlay, said business will not be a going concern for long? I'm not defending subscription models at all, they're corrosive to the economy, but your comment had me curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mojave@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am a tech consumer and enthusiast first. I am a corporate shill sellout second. I wish for bad practices in the tech community to die, even if it's my own company doing it. My concern as an engineer is that the product gets made well. I have no say or control over how the business cretins and marketing scumbags decide to destroy the company through terrible unethical practices like charging SaaS for completely self-contained software. The short term view is that you need to keep a company afloat. Businesses should fail if they deliver products in awful ways. Yes, if the company fails, I will lose my job, and that is okay. It would be through no fault of my own, or really even the customers who wouldn't pay for my company's product. It would be the fault of the business decisions that were made. And the product landscape would then open up after my company's failure. For example, if Adobe would finally fucking die then we may actually see better products on the PDF, and photo/video editing market. No more monopoly on sub-par creative cloud products. The more realistic long term view is that software engineers will be okay if their company fails. The overwhelming majority are smart, get paid extremely well, and exist in a field that needs their manpower. They will be able to find a new job much easier than other fields. The tech community will not be okay long-term if bad companies cannot fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Completely understand your viewpoint. I'm also aware though that there is a heavy saturation right now (at least in the DMV, which has historically been a bellwether for the greater economy) of both IT and bioscience/biotech industries. Both fields that also require very smart, educated, and experienced workers. So, I'm saying that things can shift quickly, and workers are always on the losing end, so it pays to note how the winds are blowing, regardless of current status. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're conflating two separate things. I make a distinction between understanding the inherent friction of Labor and Capital along with a broad and deep awareness of the stacked playing field, and also keeping oneself employed by necessity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah thanks for the insight permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] variants@possumpat.io 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Adobe still has lifetime purchases? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago This doesn’t really make sense. Programmers are usually just paid a salary. My salary is the same regardless of how many subscribers there are. I don’t give a shit. If everyone started pirating everything it wouldn’t really impact my job. There’s plenty of dev work to do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) As a programmer, and an open source one paid handsomely, fuck subscriptions and asshole software companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) How do you get paid handsomely for open source? What's your funding model? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The customers (multinational and middle size companies, ranging from telecoms, banks, governments, goods and services) pay for support and features of the software. Software has always bugs and CVEs that need fixing, or new features, or needs for securing its supply chain (with SLSA, SBOMs, etc). There's a handful multibillionarie companies that follow this approach with open source: Red Hat, SUSE, Canonical, VMware, etc. Particularly in cloud-native tech like Kubernetes and all that gets deployed on top of it. If a technology is not open source it really doesn't exist anymore. Customers have learned from the last 30 years and run away from vendor lock-in (AWS, AKS, Google cloud services..). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I program with open source stacks too. I thought you were referring to a specific FOSS app or SaaS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, my employer pays me to maintain 100% of the time a specific security project that is deployed on Kubernetes. The project is donated to the CNCF (part to the Linux foundation), and my employer doesn't push any of us in the team to work on any specifics, just to keep improving it in general. All development happens in the open, including slack chats, etc. (Would be happy to share the specific project, written in Rust mainly, but I don't want to doxx this specific Lemmy account :D) permalink fedilink source parent [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) According to Wikipedia, he's actually a criminal defense attorney in California, and also "The Fish", original lead guitarist for Country Joe and the Fish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Mmh, and if I go by your nickname, you are Jason Kaye, influential hardcore DJ and dead since a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I also appear on any graph that shows the months between July and January abbreviated by the first letter of the month. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) How do you get paid handsomely for open source? What's your funding model? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The customers (multinational and middle size companies, ranging from telecoms, banks, governments, goods and services) pay for support and features of the software. Software has always bugs and CVEs that need fixing, or new features, or needs for securing its supply chain (with SLSA, SBOMs, etc). There's a handful multibillionarie companies that follow this approach with open source: Red Hat, SUSE, Canonical, VMware, etc. Particularly in cloud-native tech like Kubernetes and all that gets deployed on top of it. If a technology is not open source it really doesn't exist anymore. Customers have learned from the last 30 years and run away from vendor lock-in (AWS, AKS, Google cloud services..). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I program with open source stacks too. I thought you were referring to a specific FOSS app or SaaS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, my employer pays me to maintain 100% of the time a specific security project that is deployed on Kubernetes. The project is donated to the CNCF (part to the Linux foundation), and my employer doesn't push any of us in the team to work on any specifics, just to keep improving it in general. All development happens in the open, including slack chats, etc. (Would be happy to share the specific project, written in Rust mainly, but I don't want to doxx this specific Lemmy account :D) permalink fedilink source parent [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) According to Wikipedia, he's actually a criminal defense attorney in California, and also "The Fish", original lead guitarist for Country Joe and the Fish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Mmh, and if I go by your nickname, you are Jason Kaye, influential hardcore DJ and dead since a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I also appear on any graph that shows the months between July and January abbreviated by the first letter of the month. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The customers (multinational and middle size companies, ranging from telecoms, banks, governments, goods and services) pay for support and features of the software. Software has always bugs and CVEs that need fixing, or new features, or needs for securing its supply chain (with SLSA, SBOMs, etc). There's a handful multibillionarie companies that follow this approach with open source: Red Hat, SUSE, Canonical, VMware, etc. Particularly in cloud-native tech like Kubernetes and all that gets deployed on top of it. If a technology is not open source it really doesn't exist anymore. Customers have learned from the last 30 years and run away from vendor lock-in (AWS, AKS, Google cloud services..). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I program with open source stacks too. I thought you were referring to a specific FOSS app or SaaS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, my employer pays me to maintain 100% of the time a specific security project that is deployed on Kubernetes. The project is donated to the CNCF (part to the Linux foundation), and my employer doesn't push any of us in the team to work on any specifics, just to keep improving it in general. All development happens in the open, including slack chats, etc. (Would be happy to share the specific project, written in Rust mainly, but I don't want to doxx this specific Lemmy account :D) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I program with open source stacks too. I thought you were referring to a specific FOSS app or SaaS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, my employer pays me to maintain 100% of the time a specific security project that is deployed on Kubernetes. The project is donated to the CNCF (part to the Linux foundation), and my employer doesn't push any of us in the team to work on any specifics, just to keep improving it in general. All development happens in the open, including slack chats, etc. (Would be happy to share the specific project, written in Rust mainly, but I don't want to doxx this specific Lemmy account :D) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, my employer pays me to maintain 100% of the time a specific security project that is deployed on Kubernetes. The project is donated to the CNCF (part to the Linux foundation), and my employer doesn't push any of us in the team to work on any specifics, just to keep improving it in general. All development happens in the open, including slack chats, etc. (Would be happy to share the specific project, written in Rust mainly, but I don't want to doxx this specific Lemmy account :D) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) According to Wikipedia, he's actually a criminal defense attorney in California, and also "The Fish", original lead guitarist for Country Joe and the Fish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Mmh, and if I go by your nickname, you are Jason Kaye, influential hardcore DJ and dead since a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I also appear on any graph that shows the months between July and January abbreviated by the first letter of the month. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Mmh, and if I go by your nickname, you are Jason Kaye, influential hardcore DJ and dead since a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I also appear on any graph that shows the months between July and January abbreviated by the first letter of the month. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I also appear on any graph that shows the months between July and January abbreviated by the first letter of the month. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) You buy a pair of shoes, the maker is paid. Why do you have to pay the bastard every month? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Samuel Vimes nodding permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago I mean yeah, subscription services are shitty, but what’s wrong with lifetime purchases? This thread is about subscriptions. So I'd assume that when people talk about 'rent seeking companies' etc, they are referring to subscription payments rather than lifetime purchases. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mojave@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I am a programmer, and I get paid whether or not the product is bought. Shovel your dogshit somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) That's a pretty short term view though, no? Presumably if an expected revenue stream does not generate flow to supplant the initial capital outlay, said business will not be a going concern for long? I'm not defending subscription models at all, they're corrosive to the economy, but your comment had me curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mojave@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am a tech consumer and enthusiast first. I am a corporate shill sellout second. I wish for bad practices in the tech community to die, even if it's my own company doing it. My concern as an engineer is that the product gets made well. I have no say or control over how the business cretins and marketing scumbags decide to destroy the company through terrible unethical practices like charging SaaS for completely self-contained software. The short term view is that you need to keep a company afloat. Businesses should fail if they deliver products in awful ways. Yes, if the company fails, I will lose my job, and that is okay. It would be through no fault of my own, or really even the customers who wouldn't pay for my company's product. It would be the fault of the business decisions that were made. And the product landscape would then open up after my company's failure. For example, if Adobe would finally fucking die then we may actually see better products on the PDF, and photo/video editing market. No more monopoly on sub-par creative cloud products. The more realistic long term view is that software engineers will be okay if their company fails. The overwhelming majority are smart, get paid extremely well, and exist in a field that needs their manpower. They will be able to find a new job much easier than other fields. The tech community will not be okay long-term if bad companies cannot fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Completely understand your viewpoint. I'm also aware though that there is a heavy saturation right now (at least in the DMV, which has historically been a bellwether for the greater economy) of both IT and bioscience/biotech industries. Both fields that also require very smart, educated, and experienced workers. So, I'm saying that things can shift quickly, and workers are always on the losing end, so it pays to note how the winds are blowing, regardless of current status. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're conflating two separate things. I make a distinction between understanding the inherent friction of Labor and Capital along with a broad and deep awareness of the stacked playing field, and also keeping oneself employed by necessity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah thanks for the insight permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) That's a pretty short term view though, no? Presumably if an expected revenue stream does not generate flow to supplant the initial capital outlay, said business will not be a going concern for long? I'm not defending subscription models at all, they're corrosive to the economy, but your comment had me curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mojave@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am a tech consumer and enthusiast first. I am a corporate shill sellout second. I wish for bad practices in the tech community to die, even if it's my own company doing it. My concern as an engineer is that the product gets made well. I have no say or control over how the business cretins and marketing scumbags decide to destroy the company through terrible unethical practices like charging SaaS for completely self-contained software. The short term view is that you need to keep a company afloat. Businesses should fail if they deliver products in awful ways. Yes, if the company fails, I will lose my job, and that is okay. It would be through no fault of my own, or really even the customers who wouldn't pay for my company's product. It would be the fault of the business decisions that were made. And the product landscape would then open up after my company's failure. For example, if Adobe would finally fucking die then we may actually see better products on the PDF, and photo/video editing market. No more monopoly on sub-par creative cloud products. The more realistic long term view is that software engineers will be okay if their company fails. The overwhelming majority are smart, get paid extremely well, and exist in a field that needs their manpower. They will be able to find a new job much easier than other fields. The tech community will not be okay long-term if bad companies cannot fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Completely understand your viewpoint. I'm also aware though that there is a heavy saturation right now (at least in the DMV, which has historically been a bellwether for the greater economy) of both IT and bioscience/biotech industries. Both fields that also require very smart, educated, and experienced workers. So, I'm saying that things can shift quickly, and workers are always on the losing end, so it pays to note how the winds are blowing, regardless of current status. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're conflating two separate things. I make a distinction between understanding the inherent friction of Labor and Capital along with a broad and deep awareness of the stacked playing field, and also keeping oneself employed by necessity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah thanks for the insight permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mojave@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am a tech consumer and enthusiast first. I am a corporate shill sellout second. I wish for bad practices in the tech community to die, even if it's my own company doing it. My concern as an engineer is that the product gets made well. I have no say or control over how the business cretins and marketing scumbags decide to destroy the company through terrible unethical practices like charging SaaS for completely self-contained software. The short term view is that you need to keep a company afloat. Businesses should fail if they deliver products in awful ways. Yes, if the company fails, I will lose my job, and that is okay. It would be through no fault of my own, or really even the customers who wouldn't pay for my company's product. It would be the fault of the business decisions that were made. And the product landscape would then open up after my company's failure. For example, if Adobe would finally fucking die then we may actually see better products on the PDF, and photo/video editing market. No more monopoly on sub-par creative cloud products. The more realistic long term view is that software engineers will be okay if their company fails. The overwhelming majority are smart, get paid extremely well, and exist in a field that needs their manpower. They will be able to find a new job much easier than other fields. The tech community will not be okay long-term if bad companies cannot fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Completely understand your viewpoint. I'm also aware though that there is a heavy saturation right now (at least in the DMV, which has historically been a bellwether for the greater economy) of both IT and bioscience/biotech industries. Both fields that also require very smart, educated, and experienced workers. So, I'm saying that things can shift quickly, and workers are always on the losing end, so it pays to note how the winds are blowing, regardless of current status. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Completely understand your viewpoint. I'm also aware though that there is a heavy saturation right now (at least in the DMV, which has historically been a bellwether for the greater economy) of both IT and bioscience/biotech industries. Both fields that also require very smart, educated, and experienced workers. So, I'm saying that things can shift quickly, and workers are always on the losing end, so it pays to note how the winds are blowing, regardless of current status. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're conflating two separate things. I make a distinction between understanding the inherent friction of Labor and Capital along with a broad and deep awareness of the stacked playing field, and also keeping oneself employed by necessity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah thanks for the insight permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're conflating two separate things. I make a distinction between understanding the inherent friction of Labor and Capital along with a broad and deep awareness of the stacked playing field, and also keeping oneself employed by necessity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah thanks for the insight permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah thanks for the insight permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah thanks for the insight permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think your focus is too narrow and your anger and need for someone to be punished for the awful systems that we are forced to survive within are clouding your ability to see the larger picture specific to the necessities of survival. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you sound like you're speaking from a place of privilege, and I am allowing room for the realities of this current-state existence. As I said, conflating two separate things. It doesn't void the validity of either to acknowledge them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] variants@possumpat.io 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Adobe still has lifetime purchases? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago This doesn’t really make sense. Programmers are usually just paid a salary. My salary is the same regardless of how many subscribers there are. I don’t give a shit. If everyone started pirating everything it wouldn’t really impact my job. There’s plenty of dev work to do. permalink fedilink source parent