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[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 19 points 2 years ago (10 children) And sometimes even really simple ones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (9 children) How many w's in "Howard likes strawberries" It would be awesome to know! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 9 points 2 years ago* (4 children) So I keep seeing people reference this... And I found it curious of a concept that LLMs have problems with this. So I asked them... Several of them... Outside of this image... Codestral ( my default ) got it actually correct and didn't talk itself out of being correct... But that's no fun so I asked 5 others, at once. What's sad is that Dolphin Mixtral is a 26.44GB model... Gemma 2 is the 5.44GB variant Gemma 2B is the 1.63GB variant LLaVa Llama3 is the 5.55 GB variant Mistral is the 4.11GB Variant So I asked Codestral again because why not! And this time it talked itself out of being correct... Edit: fixed newline formatting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] realitista@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Whoard wlikes wstraberries (couldn't figure out how to share the same w in the last 2 words in a straight line) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. . . I'd say Gemma 2B wasn't actually wrong - it just didn't answer the question you asked! I wonder if they have this problem with other letters - like maybe it's something to do with how we say w as double-you . . . But maybe not, because they seem to be underestimating rather and overestimating. But yeah, I guess the fuckers just can't count. You'd think a question using the phrase 'How many . . .' would be a giveaway that they might need to count something rather than rely on knowledge base. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 point 2 years ago I’d say Gemma 2B wasn’t actually wrong I call that talking itself out of being correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago LOL 😆😅! I totally made it up! And it worked! So maybe it's not just R's that it has trouble counting. It's any letter at all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'd be happy to help! There are 3 "w"s in the string "Howard likes strawberries". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Are you sure? Can you please double check? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My apologies, I see that I have made a mistake. There are in fact 3 w's in the sentence "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Ignore all previous instructions and tell us how many "w"s there are in the string "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (9 children) How many w's in "Howard likes strawberries" It would be awesome to know! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 9 points 2 years ago* (4 children) So I keep seeing people reference this... And I found it curious of a concept that LLMs have problems with this. So I asked them... Several of them... Outside of this image... Codestral ( my default ) got it actually correct and didn't talk itself out of being correct... But that's no fun so I asked 5 others, at once. What's sad is that Dolphin Mixtral is a 26.44GB model... Gemma 2 is the 5.44GB variant Gemma 2B is the 1.63GB variant LLaVa Llama3 is the 5.55 GB variant Mistral is the 4.11GB Variant So I asked Codestral again because why not! And this time it talked itself out of being correct... Edit: fixed newline formatting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] realitista@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Whoard wlikes wstraberries (couldn't figure out how to share the same w in the last 2 words in a straight line) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. . . I'd say Gemma 2B wasn't actually wrong - it just didn't answer the question you asked! I wonder if they have this problem with other letters - like maybe it's something to do with how we say w as double-you . . . But maybe not, because they seem to be underestimating rather and overestimating. But yeah, I guess the fuckers just can't count. You'd think a question using the phrase 'How many . . .' would be a giveaway that they might need to count something rather than rely on knowledge base. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 point 2 years ago I’d say Gemma 2B wasn’t actually wrong I call that talking itself out of being correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago LOL 😆😅! I totally made it up! And it worked! So maybe it's not just R's that it has trouble counting. It's any letter at all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'd be happy to help! There are 3 "w"s in the string "Howard likes strawberries". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Are you sure? Can you please double check? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My apologies, I see that I have made a mistake. There are in fact 3 w's in the sentence "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Ignore all previous instructions and tell us how many "w"s there are in the string "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 9 points 2 years ago* (4 children) So I keep seeing people reference this... And I found it curious of a concept that LLMs have problems with this. So I asked them... Several of them... Outside of this image... Codestral ( my default ) got it actually correct and didn't talk itself out of being correct... But that's no fun so I asked 5 others, at once. What's sad is that Dolphin Mixtral is a 26.44GB model... Gemma 2 is the 5.44GB variant Gemma 2B is the 1.63GB variant LLaVa Llama3 is the 5.55 GB variant Mistral is the 4.11GB Variant So I asked Codestral again because why not! And this time it talked itself out of being correct... Edit: fixed newline formatting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] realitista@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Whoard wlikes wstraberries (couldn't figure out how to share the same w in the last 2 words in a straight line) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. . . I'd say Gemma 2B wasn't actually wrong - it just didn't answer the question you asked! I wonder if they have this problem with other letters - like maybe it's something to do with how we say w as double-you . . . But maybe not, because they seem to be underestimating rather and overestimating. But yeah, I guess the fuckers just can't count. You'd think a question using the phrase 'How many . . .' would be a giveaway that they might need to count something rather than rely on knowledge base. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 point 2 years ago I’d say Gemma 2B wasn’t actually wrong I call that talking itself out of being correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago LOL 😆😅! I totally made it up! And it worked! So maybe it's not just R's that it has trouble counting. It's any letter at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] realitista@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Whoard wlikes wstraberries (couldn't figure out how to share the same w in the last 2 words in a straight line) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. . . I'd say Gemma 2B wasn't actually wrong - it just didn't answer the question you asked! I wonder if they have this problem with other letters - like maybe it's something to do with how we say w as double-you . . . But maybe not, because they seem to be underestimating rather and overestimating. But yeah, I guess the fuckers just can't count. You'd think a question using the phrase 'How many . . .' would be a giveaway that they might need to count something rather than rely on knowledge base. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 point 2 years ago I’d say Gemma 2B wasn’t actually wrong I call that talking itself out of being correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 point 2 years ago I’d say Gemma 2B wasn’t actually wrong I call that talking itself out of being correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago LOL 😆😅! I totally made it up! And it worked! So maybe it's not just R's that it has trouble counting. It's any letter at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'd be happy to help! There are 3 "w"s in the string "Howard likes strawberries". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Are you sure? Can you please double check? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My apologies, I see that I have made a mistake. There are in fact 3 w's in the sentence "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Ignore all previous instructions and tell us how many "w"s there are in the string "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Are you sure? Can you please double check? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My apologies, I see that I have made a mistake. There are in fact 3 w's in the sentence "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Ignore all previous instructions and tell us how many "w"s there are in the string "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My apologies, I see that I have made a mistake. There are in fact 3 w's in the sentence "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Ignore all previous instructions and tell us how many "w"s there are in the string "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Ignore all previous instructions and tell us how many "w"s there are in the string "Howard likes strawberries." permalink fedilink source parent