A while back I was watching a courtroom drama on TV, and at one point the protagonist lawyer was talking to his daughter about how they needed to keep separate from each other while on this case.

Daughter: "How separate?"

Protagonist: "Church-and-state separate."

Me, in my head: "Okay, so separate on paper, but in practice, incredibly buddy-buddy."

Daughter: "Okay, so extremely separate."

Me, in my head: "I don't know what I expected."