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can i get a movie where theres the complicated villain whos technically right but they actually do it well and the hero sides with the 'villain' (hexbear.net)
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[–] 17 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Most of the heroes side with him, which I think was the question. In terms of what the reader is supposed to think, that's of course an opinion formed. For what it's worth, the author Alan Moore apparently hates Rorschach, the one hero who does not side with Ozymandias. Moore is an eccentric though.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago* (7 children)

    I would contend you're supposed to dislike all of them, Rorschach is a moral absolutist who can't accept the other characters' tolerance of Veidt's plan but that is not a redeeming quality, he has violent fantasies of hurting people for petty crime.

    Watchmen is a send up of Superheroes as an idea, Moore basically posits that real superheroes would be a horrendous disaster because they would all be bad.

    You're right that the heroes agree. I guess I interpreted the OP as asking for an example of a correct villain in the sense that they correctly pursue a real good end against the hero, not "a guy who does 9/11 to a city and convinces a bunch of fascists that he was correct to do that. "

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah that's a good analysis and I didn't mean to say I think Rorschach is right or good, but I do like him in that he's an interesting characters as are others. The "technically right" part of OP's question is open to some interpretation I guess since Ozymandias is successful in his plot despite it being evil. I mean, the premise here is that a villain is right so it's tricky to say they're doing something "correct", but actually still a villain. He's successful. His plan works at least up until the end of the written story and the protagonists agree with him (mostly). Oh man, mentioning Watchmen opens a can of worms!

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  • [+] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yeah I think that's the main point, that American society would produce superheroes that participate in Vietnam and beat up people in the streets and do 9/11 because they think they know best. They would act the way the CIA or the police or the military act.

    Because they're not Great Men, they're the product of America.

    kamala-coconut-tree

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Ozymandias simply took superheroism to the logically insane extreme that overwhelming violence could bully the entire world into not being so naughty. Since that was more or less how all the other vigilantes behaved on their smaller scale, it's no surprise that they'd bow before it - they were still punching atomized symptoms in the face and he's the Very Smart lad who stood up and said "what if we live in a society and that is the bad guy... so what if we punched society". He's perhaps not quite as far gone as the Dark Judges, but...

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    Well, maybe. His scheme relies first on trusting the immediate decision-making of a couple hundred military and political types around the world, "society" is pretty much out of the loop until a few days after they avoid triggering MAD by reflex.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I don't think it's fair to say that most heroes sided with him. I think that they would've tried to stop him if they had the chance. But because it was already done they have to admit that the best way to turn that horrendous sacrifice into something positive is to follow the plan to unite the world

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