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Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I'm hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a "bro" kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The "guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace" was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that's happening, where the whole "male" culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I'm getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But even among my leftier friends, if I send them a message that's longer than 2 sentences I'm very likely to receive an "I ain't reading all that" (even a literal 3 sentence message).

This may bite me in the ass someday by admitting it now, but if anything crushes my morale in an internet argument, it's when the other person resorts to "u think u so smart" smuglord or outright "TL;DR" especially after demanding evidence of whatever I was saying.

It's pigeon-shitting-on-checkerboard tactics and they hurt because they work.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Many such cases. desolate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Uhm, whatever that means" Gestures broadly, appealing to nonexistant crowd hypersus

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

This was my go to when I was arguing debate bros on reddit-logo