▲ 222 ▼ Chappell Roan Says She’s “Voting For F@cking Kamala,” But No VP Endorsement & “F@ck Trump, For F@cking Real” (deadline.com) submitted 2 years ago* by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 235 comments fedilink hide all child comments She says it in this new video: https://x.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1838960476199211454
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day. I'm old and I'm still waiting for the government to be fixed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Triasha@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Abortion was illegal for 70-120 years depending on the state. It was 50ish years from the progressive era and the beginning of birth control to the ruling of Roe. Overturning roe was a 50 year political project by the right. Sometimes it takes a lifetime. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We keep breaking it by voting for Republicans every now and then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If Democrats ran every branch of the government at every level I still doubt it would get fixed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) California is doing pretty damn good. Not perfect, but head and shoulders above the rest of the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly: Even if they ran everything they'd do stupid shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "Nothing is perfect, therefore everything is equally shit." What a stupid philosophy. Like all "bothsides" bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not what I'm saying at all but don't let that stop you from punching left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is the stupid shit Democrats do significantly less stupid than the stupid shit Republicans do? If you keep getting punched everywhere you go, it's time for some introspection my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent. And in your opinion I should be happy about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) In what way is CA doing 'pretty damn good'..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago By bulldozing homeless camps I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Income, life expectancy, healthcare access. Union membership. Cali home prices are unaffordable because people want to live there and are willing to pay for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You live under a rock or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I mean it guess they're not banning books or switching to school vouchers but I'm pretty sure low income households are doing just as bad if not worse over there Aren't they, like, tearing down homeless encampments on a monthly basis? edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Guess you have been living under a rock. Strong economy AND strong worker protections, lots of unions, high minimum wage, robust anti-discrimination laws, there's countless things that make life in California better for low income households. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Erm, i guess ill take your word for it Unemployment Gini coefficient Home price to median income permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 point 2 years ago* By being richer than most other countries in the world. That's really what it's about anyways. Identity politics are just icing for wealth generation for the upper class. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Abortion was illegal for 70-120 years depending on the state. It was 50ish years from the progressive era and the beginning of birth control to the ruling of Roe. Overturning roe was a 50 year political project by the right. Sometimes it takes a lifetime. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We keep breaking it by voting for Republicans every now and then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If Democrats ran every branch of the government at every level I still doubt it would get fixed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) California is doing pretty damn good. Not perfect, but head and shoulders above the rest of the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly: Even if they ran everything they'd do stupid shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "Nothing is perfect, therefore everything is equally shit." What a stupid philosophy. Like all "bothsides" bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not what I'm saying at all but don't let that stop you from punching left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is the stupid shit Democrats do significantly less stupid than the stupid shit Republicans do? If you keep getting punched everywhere you go, it's time for some introspection my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent. And in your opinion I should be happy about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) In what way is CA doing 'pretty damn good'..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago By bulldozing homeless camps I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Income, life expectancy, healthcare access. Union membership. Cali home prices are unaffordable because people want to live there and are willing to pay for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You live under a rock or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I mean it guess they're not banning books or switching to school vouchers but I'm pretty sure low income households are doing just as bad if not worse over there Aren't they, like, tearing down homeless encampments on a monthly basis? edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Guess you have been living under a rock. Strong economy AND strong worker protections, lots of unions, high minimum wage, robust anti-discrimination laws, there's countless things that make life in California better for low income households. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Erm, i guess ill take your word for it Unemployment Gini coefficient Home price to median income permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 point 2 years ago* By being richer than most other countries in the world. That's really what it's about anyways. Identity politics are just icing for wealth generation for the upper class. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If Democrats ran every branch of the government at every level I still doubt it would get fixed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) California is doing pretty damn good. Not perfect, but head and shoulders above the rest of the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly: Even if they ran everything they'd do stupid shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "Nothing is perfect, therefore everything is equally shit." What a stupid philosophy. Like all "bothsides" bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not what I'm saying at all but don't let that stop you from punching left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is the stupid shit Democrats do significantly less stupid than the stupid shit Republicans do? If you keep getting punched everywhere you go, it's time for some introspection my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent. And in your opinion I should be happy about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) In what way is CA doing 'pretty damn good'..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago By bulldozing homeless camps I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Income, life expectancy, healthcare access. Union membership. Cali home prices are unaffordable because people want to live there and are willing to pay for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You live under a rock or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I mean it guess they're not banning books or switching to school vouchers but I'm pretty sure low income households are doing just as bad if not worse over there Aren't they, like, tearing down homeless encampments on a monthly basis? edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Guess you have been living under a rock. Strong economy AND strong worker protections, lots of unions, high minimum wage, robust anti-discrimination laws, there's countless things that make life in California better for low income households. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Erm, i guess ill take your word for it Unemployment Gini coefficient Home price to median income permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 point 2 years ago* By being richer than most other countries in the world. That's really what it's about anyways. Identity politics are just icing for wealth generation for the upper class. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) California is doing pretty damn good. Not perfect, but head and shoulders above the rest of the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly: Even if they ran everything they'd do stupid shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "Nothing is perfect, therefore everything is equally shit." What a stupid philosophy. Like all "bothsides" bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not what I'm saying at all but don't let that stop you from punching left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is the stupid shit Democrats do significantly less stupid than the stupid shit Republicans do? If you keep getting punched everywhere you go, it's time for some introspection my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent. And in your opinion I should be happy about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) In what way is CA doing 'pretty damn good'..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago By bulldozing homeless camps I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Income, life expectancy, healthcare access. Union membership. Cali home prices are unaffordable because people want to live there and are willing to pay for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You live under a rock or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I mean it guess they're not banning books or switching to school vouchers but I'm pretty sure low income households are doing just as bad if not worse over there Aren't they, like, tearing down homeless encampments on a monthly basis? edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Guess you have been living under a rock. Strong economy AND strong worker protections, lots of unions, high minimum wage, robust anti-discrimination laws, there's countless things that make life in California better for low income households. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Erm, i guess ill take your word for it Unemployment Gini coefficient Home price to median income permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 point 2 years ago* By being richer than most other countries in the world. That's really what it's about anyways. Identity politics are just icing for wealth generation for the upper class. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly: Even if they ran everything they'd do stupid shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "Nothing is perfect, therefore everything is equally shit." What a stupid philosophy. Like all "bothsides" bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not what I'm saying at all but don't let that stop you from punching left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is the stupid shit Democrats do significantly less stupid than the stupid shit Republicans do? If you keep getting punched everywhere you go, it's time for some introspection my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent. And in your opinion I should be happy about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "Nothing is perfect, therefore everything is equally shit." What a stupid philosophy. Like all "bothsides" bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not what I'm saying at all but don't let that stop you from punching left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is the stupid shit Democrats do significantly less stupid than the stupid shit Republicans do? If you keep getting punched everywhere you go, it's time for some introspection my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent. And in your opinion I should be happy about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not what I'm saying at all but don't let that stop you from punching left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is the stupid shit Democrats do significantly less stupid than the stupid shit Republicans do? If you keep getting punched everywhere you go, it's time for some introspection my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent. And in your opinion I should be happy about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is the stupid shit Democrats do significantly less stupid than the stupid shit Republicans do? If you keep getting punched everywhere you go, it's time for some introspection my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent. And in your opinion I should be happy about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent. And in your opinion I should be happy about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're happy about our government still being stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape. But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Improvement is good and should be appreciated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Then they'll stop making the effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) In what way is CA doing 'pretty damn good'..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago By bulldozing homeless camps I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Income, life expectancy, healthcare access. Union membership. Cali home prices are unaffordable because people want to live there and are willing to pay for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You live under a rock or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I mean it guess they're not banning books or switching to school vouchers but I'm pretty sure low income households are doing just as bad if not worse over there Aren't they, like, tearing down homeless encampments on a monthly basis? edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Guess you have been living under a rock. Strong economy AND strong worker protections, lots of unions, high minimum wage, robust anti-discrimination laws, there's countless things that make life in California better for low income households. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Erm, i guess ill take your word for it Unemployment Gini coefficient Home price to median income permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 point 2 years ago* By being richer than most other countries in the world. That's really what it's about anyways. Identity politics are just icing for wealth generation for the upper class. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago By bulldozing homeless camps I guess. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Income, life expectancy, healthcare access. Union membership. Cali home prices are unaffordable because people want to live there and are willing to pay for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You live under a rock or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I mean it guess they're not banning books or switching to school vouchers but I'm pretty sure low income households are doing just as bad if not worse over there Aren't they, like, tearing down homeless encampments on a monthly basis? edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Guess you have been living under a rock. Strong economy AND strong worker protections, lots of unions, high minimum wage, robust anti-discrimination laws, there's countless things that make life in California better for low income households. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Erm, i guess ill take your word for it Unemployment Gini coefficient Home price to median income permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I mean it guess they're not banning books or switching to school vouchers but I'm pretty sure low income households are doing just as bad if not worse over there Aren't they, like, tearing down homeless encampments on a monthly basis? edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Guess you have been living under a rock. Strong economy AND strong worker protections, lots of unions, high minimum wage, robust anti-discrimination laws, there's countless things that make life in California better for low income households. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Erm, i guess ill take your word for it Unemployment Gini coefficient Home price to median income permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Guess you have been living under a rock. Strong economy AND strong worker protections, lots of unions, high minimum wage, robust anti-discrimination laws, there's countless things that make life in California better for low income households. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Erm, i guess ill take your word for it Unemployment Gini coefficient Home price to median income permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Erm, i guess ill take your word for it Unemployment Gini coefficient Home price to median income permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Gee, I can't imagine what motivation you would have to cherry pick stats to try and make California look bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, those are bellwether economic statistics for any state, it's not 'cherry picking'. Capital D democrats love California because it's a democratic stronghold and a testing ground for all kinds of liberal policy, but it's also dominated by capital interests. In terms of GDP it represents 1/6th of the entire US economy. It's one of the clearest examples of liberalism's relationship with capital. Most socialists would not look fondly on California governance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh huh We both know you hate California because all you ever do is attack Democrats. There are dozens of "bellwether economic indicators" and California is doing excellent on most of them. Of course you'd pick a couple of bad ones because you have an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well I do attack democrats an awful lot, but not because they're any kind of model of leftist governance Those are the metrics any leftist would be interested in with any highly developed state or economy. How distributed is the wealth? Are low-earners able to afford a comparative standard of living? Do they have economic and employment mobility? ect. They look to answer the question, "to what degree is the working class subject to coercive capitalist conditions?" Other economic metrics are weighted toward assessing the performance of capital, and are far less relevant to the questions leftists care about answering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a particularly sad and flimsy justification for cherry picking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Maybe we just don't share the same political goals, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 point 2 years ago* By being richer than most other countries in the world. That's really what it's about anyways. Identity politics are just icing for wealth generation for the upper class. permalink fedilink source parent