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[–] 42 points 2 years ago (11 children)

The opposite is true for the US. Because of the abhorrently large firetrucks you can't have smaller roads.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Also because everything in the US is spread out except for urban areas, mass transit just won't work well for a large part of the population. Didn't help that what transit infrastructure existed came under assault by the oil/car companies of the time, so many places went full automobile.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    i don’t think that’s really true… australia is hugely spread out and we have pretty great mass transit

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Maybe you had a different history of development then, unlike what I mentioned in the second part. Lots of our 19th-20th century urban areas had trolleys and such, which "mysterious" disappeared when the car came along. Even now in the past decades the public has overwhelming wanted development of things like high speed rail, and yet somehow even mandates voted for on ballots are refused for "reasons".

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    i think it’s more straight forward than that tbh… rail and infrastructure is expensive and takes more than 3y to build so it costs you and won’t gain you anything at the next election… in fact, the opposition party will probably get in and fuck with it, make it a total failure and then use it as a “so expensive and really bad” excuse to then attack you at the election after as well!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I can understand that, and it's one of the many drawbacks of party systems. It's also exactly what Republicans have done for decades for anything in government.

    Ina world where corporations only care about the next quarter, and politicians begin their term by starting the next campaign, how can we get long range plans completed? We've done many huge projects over many years in the past, but in today's instant gratification that seems impossible. Anything worth doing is going to cost a lot up front, it's called an investment in the future.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    interesting thing about fire trucks… i asked a fire fighter friend from the US if he knew why their trucks were different to everywhere else in the world, and apparently it’s because US infrastructure is built for military use… if elsewhere in the world had the heavy duty roads, we might also have the heavier fire trucks

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I have a hard time believeing this. The not just bike video adresses that tangentially. Non US fire trucks use commercial chassis and are cheaper, carry the same equipment and can fit into urban areas easier. It just seems to be a cultural thing. Truck big!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    The abhorrently large firetrucks which increase the response times before they can get out to fires, because things are more spread out. The abhorrently large firetrucks which siphon away more and more funding, compared to smaller firetrucks, and require more manpower to operate, meaning each fire station individually eats up more funding per unit, meaning we can have less fire stations, further decreasing response times.

    An increase in response times which increases the size of fires, requiring more and more abhorrently large firetrucks. The abhorrently large firetrucks which cannot respond quickly enough to wildfires and so will allow them to grow more rapidly out of control, perpetuating more wildfire based ecology, more plants which require fire to grow and will encourage further fire. The abhorrently large firetrucks which are not as cute as small firetrucks.

    Those firetrucks? Those are the ones we have to build bigger roads for? some people do legitimately believe this shit, too, hoo lee, kill me

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