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[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, I don't thinking would work since his daughter's called Thalia Al Ghul, indicating Al Ghul is a family name.

Also,we don't need to make up apologies for whitewashing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

  1. He literally says 'we have been around for 1000 years and since Nolanverse is devoid of any fantastical elements, passing the torch is the only possible explanation.

  2. Her name is Talia Al Ghul from Doylist perspective but not from Watsonian.

For all we know, she doesn't have any last name/family name in-universe and uses the alias of Miranda when she's globetrotting for a bit of terrorism.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
  1. He literally says 'we have been around for 1000 years and since Nolanverse is devoid of any fantastical elements, passing the torch is the only possible explanation.

I always thought he meant the League of Shadows, not a single position.

  1. Her name is Talia Al Ghul from Doylist perspective but not from Watsonian.

She calls Ra's Al Ghul her father. It may be an interpretation that Al Ghul is a name, but so is the title interpretation. And imho the name is far less of a stretch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes. He is referring to League of Shadows. However, very early in the movie he says "If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely" so it seems obvious in hindsight that this applies to Ra's as well as if applies to Batman.

Hell, I always thought Ken Watanabe was Ra's Al Ghul and the title passed on to Liam Neeson after the former died.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

However, very early in the movie he says "If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely" so it seems obvious in hindsight that this applies to Ra's as well as if applies to Batman.

But that doesn't mean Henri Ducard became a Ra's Al Ghul or Ra's Al Ghul became the League of Shadows. It's like a religious thing, like christians consider themselves reborn after baptism.

Hell, I always thought Ken Watanabe was Ra's Al Ghul and the title passed on to Liam Neeson after the former died.

I can see where you're coming from, I'd expect some quote like "I am Ra's Al Ghul now" or something.

Again, I can see your interpretation, but I think Ra's Al Ghul simply being a name is far less a stretch and requires fewer assumptions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Ra's al Ghul translates to demon's head. Do you still think it's just a name?