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US can’t ban TikTok for security reasons while ignoring Temu, other apps, TikTok argues (arstechnica.com)
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[–] 6 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The concern isn’t the input, it’s the potential output. Temu doesn’t have the potential to be used for a large micro-targeted political messaging campaign.

This is arguably more akin to how the US handles TV and radio. There are national security restrictions on foreign ownership.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children)

    So that explains Fox being owned by an Australian then?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Murdoch is an American citizen.

    Murdoch became a naturalized US citizen in the 80’s so that he could comply with US laws about foreign nationals owning media entities.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The US owns and regulates the frequencies TV and radio are broadcast on. The Internet is not the same. If the threat of foreign propaganda is the purpose, why can I download the official RT (Russia Today, government run propaganda outlet) app in the Play Store? If the US is worried about a foreign government spreading propaganda, why are they targeting the popular social media app that could theoretically (but no evidence it's been done yet) be used for propaganda, instead of the actual Russian propaganda app? Hell I can download the south china morning post right from the Play store, straight Chinese propaganda! There are also dozens of Chinese and other foreign adversary run social media platforms, and other apps that could "micro target political messaging campaigns" available. So why did the US Congress single out one single app for punishment?

    Money. The problem isn't propaganda. The problem is money. The problem is tik Tok is or is on the course to be more popular than our American social media platforms. The problem is American firms are being outcompeted in the marketplace, and the government is stepping in to protect the American data mining market. The problem is young people are trading their data for tik toks, instead of giving that data over to be sold to us advertising networks in exchange for YouTube shorts and Instagram stories. If the problem was propaganda, the US would go after propaganda. If the problem is just a Chinese company offers a better product than US companies, then there's no reason to draft nuanced legislation that goes after all potential foreign influence vectors, you just ban the one app that is hurting the share price of your donors.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    The US owns and regulates the frequencies TV and radio are broadcast on.

    The US has also historically regulated who owns media companies.

    As for RT vs TikTok - good question. My guess is that scale and influence have a lot to do with why regulating TikTok was prioritized. Also RT has been removed from most broadcasters and App Stores in the US.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My guess is that scale and influence have a lot to do with

    To break this down a little, first of all "my guess". You are guessing because the government which is literally enacting a speech restriction hasn't explained its rational for banning one potential source of disinformation vs actual sources of disinformation. So you are left in the position of guessing. To put a finer point on it, you are in the position of assuming the government is acting with good intentions and doing the labor of searching for a justification that fits with that assumption. Reminds me of the Iraq war when so many conversations I had with people had their default argument be "the government wouldn't do this if they didn't have a good reason". I don't like to be cynical, and I don't want to be a "both sides, all politicians are corrupt" kind of guy, but I think it's pretty clear in this case there is every reason to be cynical. This was just an unfortunate confluence of anti Chinese hate and fear, anti young people hate, and big tech donations that resulted in the government banning a platform used by millions of Americans to disseminate speech. But because Dems helped do it, so many people feel the need to reflexively defend it, even forcing them to "guess" and make up rationales.

    As far as influence and reach, obviously that's not in the bill. Influence is straight out, RT is highly influential in right wing spaces. In terms of numbers of users, that just goes to the profit potential that our good ol American firms are missing out on.

    If the US was concerned with propaganda or whatever, they could just regulate the content available on all platforms. They could require all platforms to have transparency around algorithms for recommending content. They could require oversight of how all social media companies operate, much like they do with financial firms or are trying to do with big AI platforms.

    But they didn't. Because they are not attacking a specific problem, they are attacking a specific company.

    Also RT has been removed from most broadcasters and App Stores in the US.

    Broadcasters voluntarily dropped it after 2016, I think it's still available on some including dish. As far as app stores, that's just false, I just checked the Play store and it's right there ready to download and fill my head with propaganda.

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