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[–] 56 points 2 years ago (10 children)

That is more babies than the total amount of civilians killed by Hamas on October 7.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    That was the point of the action. Iran understands the hatred by the Israeli state for the Palestinian people (condoned, sometimes commended by western imperialist interests, particularly the British empire and the United States) only required provocation before Israel would commit atrocities that could be called a holocaust. So the Iranian intelligence state funded Hamas to cause trouble.

    And they played Netanyahu the way Martin Luther King Jr. played US police departments.

    The difference is, information from Palestine leaks out better now than it did throughout the 20th century, so the global public, especially in industrialized states, gets to look at it. We get to know what is happening and it is more frightening than we imagined.

    The horror of the German holocaust, according to our own nations and their state departments, is not what was done, but to whom.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    "Iran made me do a genocide" is certainly a take. One of the most takes of all time, even.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    Yeah, Iran made me do a genocide the way a wife made her abusive spouse do a domestic violence. More that Iran knew the Israeli administration (Netanyahu and friends) were totally eager to accelerate the genocide (it has already been happening), and provided them an easy excuse, because drunk daddy can't help himself.

    This is why the US has been screaming at Bibi, Don't! It'll be just like Fallujah! It's a trap! And Bibi couldn't listen with that kind of temptation.

    (And yes, this is one of those hazards whenever Trump is in the White House, because Trump can't help himself either.)

    Israel, and the current western response to Israel is laying plain for the entire international community that we are at our base, imperialists who won't suffer non-whites or non-Christians. The US has yet to demonstrate otherwise, and in on the verge of possibly installing a one-party autocracy. Iran got all that it hoped for and more.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why exactly would Iran hope for the US to be a one-party autocracy full of imperialists who won’t suffer non-whites or non-Christians?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    A lot of things.

    For one thing, Trump / Project 2025 wants to kill NATO. Trump has already sown enough distrust that Germany is looking to secure military independence from the US.

    Another thing is Trump and his companion ideologues are manipulable, as per his relations with Putin, Kim Jong Un and the Sauds. Even if they can't turn him against Israel, they can certainly goad him into making brash decisions.

    Then there's the matter that the MAGA Republican Party favors loyalty over principle, which scares away its own intelligentsia, and creates a brain drain. We already see the Project 2025 plan to replace government department staff (who have education and experience) with Trump and MAGA ideology loyalists (who do not), which is going to speed the regime's plummet into corruption and decadence.

    The latter 20th century was defined by the US being the baddest dog on the field, tempered only by the USSR being right there to harrow the US and keep it busy. Now the cold war is ended, the US has just turned into a military bully for the interests of its own oligarchs. (It doesn't help that the white Christian nationalist movement has been pushing the US towards fascist one-party autocracy since the FDR's New Deal, as explained in Behind the Bastards two parter How the Rich Ate Christianity ).

    Genuinely free, fair states are a threat to autocrats, far more than other autocrats, so seeing the US fall to one-party autocracy is absolutely on Iran's holiday wishlist.

    They may get it too, depending on if Trump wins the election, or his coup d'etat is successful, or civil war breaks out in the States.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    "They made me do it" has been the main axis of Israeli Propaganda since the start and that's just a variant of that.

    How about this alternative explanation: they're stealing Palestinian land, want to ultimatelly steal all Palestinian land, are led by Sociopaths and Psychopaths and have an extremely racist society anchored on the kind of ethnic superiority ideas that would make Klanners blush, so they were always going to do something like this sooner or later to get rid of the rest of Palestinians and get the rest of their land and do it in the most inhuman ways because a large part, maybe even most, of Israeli society see themselves as "the chosen people", a superior ethnicity and what the previous famous group of ethno-Fascists would call übermenschen, whilst they see Palestinians as lesser people, "human animals", untermenschen.

    This is the kind of mass murdering Western nations used to do back in the days of Colonialism. It's only shocking for us nowadays because we've evolved as societies and adopted Humanist values (though by their support of Israel you can see that many politicians in several countries and even a large fraction of people have in fact not evolved). Israel does in fact have Western Values, it's just they're the White Colonialist Values that many European nations had back in the 19th Century, not 21st Century Western Values.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    We know they're stealing Palestinian land. They were stealing Palestinian land when the British Empire installed Israel there. And yes, at that time George VI was glad to suggest it is right and proper to push out the lesser peoples so that the Jewish folk could settle there. And that's exactly what they've been doing since.

    However, since then, the international community has become more aware of the humanity of peoples who are not as wealthy or white as westerners, so much like the Church in the middle ages advocating only for Jus Bellum (so that expansionist kings had to find a way to justify their rightful ownership of the places they conquered) modern nations have to find a way to legitimize the regions they annex, or the peoples they war against.

    So yeah, Israel was glad to have the excuse when Hamas or Hezbollah were there to provide it. And Iran props them up (provides them materiel support) so that they have the opportunity to take shots at Israel, knowing it will drive them to cruelty while the world watches, de-legitimizing the Zionist movement in the eyes of the international community (and the public).

    While Israeli patriots can politely talk about the propriety of (say) price-tag killings or the treatment of Palestinians in Hebron, the State has to be more delicate. All the more so when IDF troopers are expressing glee in the opportunity to massacre Palestinian civilians down to the last child and grandmother.

    But there are no humanitarian interests at the international level. All the states are still propped up by oligarchs wanting to clear land and seize resources for their own use, and at this point, as far as I can tell, we're all going to be killed by famine and water shortage due to ecology collapse before that changes.

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