▲ 320 ▼ Bluesky continues to soar (techcrunch.com) submitted 2 years ago by blue_berry@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 155 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] AutoPastry@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 years ago (14 children) Great, you can host your own instance! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] sxan@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago (8 children) But control of the protocol - the definition and development - is still controlled by the for-profit company, right? It hasn't been handed over to a nonprofit governance committee, has it? Federation or not, if Bluesky dominates the protocol, they can decide to stop federating and essentially kill the independent servers. Much like what Signal did. Sure, you can run your own Signal server, but without access to the dominant player's market, and using a protocol that's controlled monopolistically, it's practically useless to do so - which is why almost nobody does it anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) Indeed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) Seems to be similar here, you can run PDS (personal instances), but they still rely on a central Bluesky server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, that's what the first comment you replied to said permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent [–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago (3 children) Is running a pds really equivalent to running your own instance? As I understand it, 2 friends running their own pds cannot federate without the centralized relay which still can't be self hosted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] AutoPastry@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right, while there are advantages to hosting a pds, it doesn't seem you can run a fully fledged instance at this time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago Thanks for clarifying permalink fedilink source parent [–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 6 points 2 years ago Bluesky has no documentation for running a relay (indexing node). It doesn't seem like they intend to have any documentation on it any time soon. But it is possible to set one up yourself. I don't know anyone that has done so. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago And you'd still have federation issues, so doesn't solve OP's problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sxan@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago (8 children) But control of the protocol - the definition and development - is still controlled by the for-profit company, right? It hasn't been handed over to a nonprofit governance committee, has it? Federation or not, if Bluesky dominates the protocol, they can decide to stop federating and essentially kill the independent servers. Much like what Signal did. Sure, you can run your own Signal server, but without access to the dominant player's market, and using a protocol that's controlled monopolistically, it's practically useless to do so - which is why almost nobody does it anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) Indeed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) Seems to be similar here, you can run PDS (personal instances), but they still rely on a central Bluesky server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, that's what the first comment you replied to said permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) Indeed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) Seems to be similar here, you can run PDS (personal instances), but they still rely on a central Bluesky server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, that's what the first comment you replied to said permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blaze@feddit.org -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) Indeed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) Seems to be similar here, you can run PDS (personal instances), but they still rely on a central Bluesky server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, that's what the first comment you replied to said permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) Seems to be similar here, you can run PDS (personal instances), but they still rely on a central Bluesky server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, that's what the first comment you replied to said permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) Seems to be similar here, you can run PDS (personal instances), but they still rely on a central Bluesky server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, that's what the first comment you replied to said permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, that's what the first comment you replied to said permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, that's what the first comment you replied to said permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago Not me, it was @sxan@midwest.social I reread their whole paragraph, and I agree, but anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago (3 children) Is running a pds really equivalent to running your own instance? As I understand it, 2 friends running their own pds cannot federate without the centralized relay which still can't be self hosted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] AutoPastry@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right, while there are advantages to hosting a pds, it doesn't seem you can run a fully fledged instance at this time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago Thanks for clarifying permalink fedilink source parent [–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 6 points 2 years ago Bluesky has no documentation for running a relay (indexing node). It doesn't seem like they intend to have any documentation on it any time soon. But it is possible to set one up yourself. I don't know anyone that has done so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AutoPastry@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right, while there are advantages to hosting a pds, it doesn't seem you can run a fully fledged instance at this time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago Thanks for clarifying permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 6 points 2 years ago Bluesky has no documentation for running a relay (indexing node). It doesn't seem like they intend to have any documentation on it any time soon. But it is possible to set one up yourself. I don't know anyone that has done so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago And you'd still have federation issues, so doesn't solve OP's problem. permalink fedilink source parent