▲ 731 ▼ Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team (www.gamingonlinux.com) submitted 2 years ago by mesamunefire@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 197 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (8 children) What the hell are you talking about?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (7 children) They are saying very little in Linux world moved to .NET/C# : https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=mono It's just not popular in Linux world despite MS attempts to make it so. It's a Windows people language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Very few package maintainers even like providing packages written in C#/.NET. For example, the linux version of git-credential-manager (included with git on windows) is only available on gentoo, nixpkgs, and the AUR. There's linux builds in the github releases, but nobody will ship it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) If nothing else, a lot of (containerized) .NET (web) services run on Linux. Also note that .NET apps can be packed as standalone (ignore the size) and as such are as any other standalone app. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) You got some stats? The Debian stats say no one is using it on the desktop or traditional server stuff. I can believe Windows C# Dev are porting their closed service to Linux to improve, well, everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) No stats, just what I see and consider logically. If you have a .NET (web) app, it makes sense to run it (for free) under Linux (directly or using docker/kubernetes/etc.) instead of paying Windows server license. Sadly I don't see download counter for dotnet linux images but they would be some sort of an indicator. I can believe Desktop apps are not many, though, for historical reasons mostly. But now one can create a standalone nice looking app as well, perhaps they will be more frequent in future, who knows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I think it will remain a Windows dev thing. Even if they sometimes use Linux as a runtime. Linux devs will use Python or something else. PHP is legacy really now. Go is popular for apps started at a certain time, but Rust seams to be replacing it. Which is good as Go is as Google as C# is MS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that we have to define what exactly we are talking about. Existing Linux devs are indeed unlikely to switch to .NET, though perhaps a bit unfairly (based on 'old' Microsoft) but who really knows what future brings. Anyway, I was talking about .NET apps running on Linux, not about Linux developers switch to .NET. We can agree on this, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* As I said, I can see Windows .NET people using Linux for server runtime. Actural Linux natives aren't going to touch that stuff. There is no new Microsoft. I've been hearing new Microsoft for over 20 years. In that time they never stopped the patent trolling, corrupted the ISO process for OOXML, continued their anti competive practices, etc. They never stopped being a big tech monster. Just equally big new monsters came along so they went it to background to those not watching. They still need dealing with. They are the definition of the confusion of standards and monopolies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (7 children) They are saying very little in Linux world moved to .NET/C# : https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=mono It's just not popular in Linux world despite MS attempts to make it so. It's a Windows people language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Very few package maintainers even like providing packages written in C#/.NET. For example, the linux version of git-credential-manager (included with git on windows) is only available on gentoo, nixpkgs, and the AUR. There's linux builds in the github releases, but nobody will ship it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) If nothing else, a lot of (containerized) .NET (web) services run on Linux. Also note that .NET apps can be packed as standalone (ignore the size) and as such are as any other standalone app. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) You got some stats? The Debian stats say no one is using it on the desktop or traditional server stuff. I can believe Windows C# Dev are porting their closed service to Linux to improve, well, everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) No stats, just what I see and consider logically. If you have a .NET (web) app, it makes sense to run it (for free) under Linux (directly or using docker/kubernetes/etc.) instead of paying Windows server license. Sadly I don't see download counter for dotnet linux images but they would be some sort of an indicator. I can believe Desktop apps are not many, though, for historical reasons mostly. But now one can create a standalone nice looking app as well, perhaps they will be more frequent in future, who knows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I think it will remain a Windows dev thing. Even if they sometimes use Linux as a runtime. Linux devs will use Python or something else. PHP is legacy really now. Go is popular for apps started at a certain time, but Rust seams to be replacing it. Which is good as Go is as Google as C# is MS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that we have to define what exactly we are talking about. Existing Linux devs are indeed unlikely to switch to .NET, though perhaps a bit unfairly (based on 'old' Microsoft) but who really knows what future brings. Anyway, I was talking about .NET apps running on Linux, not about Linux developers switch to .NET. We can agree on this, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* As I said, I can see Windows .NET people using Linux for server runtime. Actural Linux natives aren't going to touch that stuff. There is no new Microsoft. I've been hearing new Microsoft for over 20 years. In that time they never stopped the patent trolling, corrupted the ISO process for OOXML, continued their anti competive practices, etc. They never stopped being a big tech monster. Just equally big new monsters came along so they went it to background to those not watching. They still need dealing with. They are the definition of the confusion of standards and monopolies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Very few package maintainers even like providing packages written in C#/.NET. For example, the linux version of git-credential-manager (included with git on windows) is only available on gentoo, nixpkgs, and the AUR. There's linux builds in the github releases, but nobody will ship it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) If nothing else, a lot of (containerized) .NET (web) services run on Linux. Also note that .NET apps can be packed as standalone (ignore the size) and as such are as any other standalone app. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) You got some stats? The Debian stats say no one is using it on the desktop or traditional server stuff. I can believe Windows C# Dev are porting their closed service to Linux to improve, well, everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) No stats, just what I see and consider logically. If you have a .NET (web) app, it makes sense to run it (for free) under Linux (directly or using docker/kubernetes/etc.) instead of paying Windows server license. Sadly I don't see download counter for dotnet linux images but they would be some sort of an indicator. I can believe Desktop apps are not many, though, for historical reasons mostly. But now one can create a standalone nice looking app as well, perhaps they will be more frequent in future, who knows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I think it will remain a Windows dev thing. Even if they sometimes use Linux as a runtime. Linux devs will use Python or something else. PHP is legacy really now. Go is popular for apps started at a certain time, but Rust seams to be replacing it. Which is good as Go is as Google as C# is MS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that we have to define what exactly we are talking about. Existing Linux devs are indeed unlikely to switch to .NET, though perhaps a bit unfairly (based on 'old' Microsoft) but who really knows what future brings. Anyway, I was talking about .NET apps running on Linux, not about Linux developers switch to .NET. We can agree on this, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* As I said, I can see Windows .NET people using Linux for server runtime. Actural Linux natives aren't going to touch that stuff. There is no new Microsoft. I've been hearing new Microsoft for over 20 years. In that time they never stopped the patent trolling, corrupted the ISO process for OOXML, continued their anti competive practices, etc. They never stopped being a big tech monster. Just equally big new monsters came along so they went it to background to those not watching. They still need dealing with. They are the definition of the confusion of standards and monopolies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) You got some stats? The Debian stats say no one is using it on the desktop or traditional server stuff. I can believe Windows C# Dev are porting their closed service to Linux to improve, well, everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) No stats, just what I see and consider logically. If you have a .NET (web) app, it makes sense to run it (for free) under Linux (directly or using docker/kubernetes/etc.) instead of paying Windows server license. Sadly I don't see download counter for dotnet linux images but they would be some sort of an indicator. I can believe Desktop apps are not many, though, for historical reasons mostly. But now one can create a standalone nice looking app as well, perhaps they will be more frequent in future, who knows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I think it will remain a Windows dev thing. Even if they sometimes use Linux as a runtime. Linux devs will use Python or something else. PHP is legacy really now. Go is popular for apps started at a certain time, but Rust seams to be replacing it. Which is good as Go is as Google as C# is MS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that we have to define what exactly we are talking about. Existing Linux devs are indeed unlikely to switch to .NET, though perhaps a bit unfairly (based on 'old' Microsoft) but who really knows what future brings. Anyway, I was talking about .NET apps running on Linux, not about Linux developers switch to .NET. We can agree on this, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* As I said, I can see Windows .NET people using Linux for server runtime. Actural Linux natives aren't going to touch that stuff. There is no new Microsoft. I've been hearing new Microsoft for over 20 years. In that time they never stopped the patent trolling, corrupted the ISO process for OOXML, continued their anti competive practices, etc. They never stopped being a big tech monster. Just equally big new monsters came along so they went it to background to those not watching. They still need dealing with. They are the definition of the confusion of standards and monopolies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) No stats, just what I see and consider logically. If you have a .NET (web) app, it makes sense to run it (for free) under Linux (directly or using docker/kubernetes/etc.) instead of paying Windows server license. Sadly I don't see download counter for dotnet linux images but they would be some sort of an indicator. I can believe Desktop apps are not many, though, for historical reasons mostly. But now one can create a standalone nice looking app as well, perhaps they will be more frequent in future, who knows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I think it will remain a Windows dev thing. Even if they sometimes use Linux as a runtime. Linux devs will use Python or something else. PHP is legacy really now. Go is popular for apps started at a certain time, but Rust seams to be replacing it. Which is good as Go is as Google as C# is MS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that we have to define what exactly we are talking about. Existing Linux devs are indeed unlikely to switch to .NET, though perhaps a bit unfairly (based on 'old' Microsoft) but who really knows what future brings. Anyway, I was talking about .NET apps running on Linux, not about Linux developers switch to .NET. We can agree on this, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* As I said, I can see Windows .NET people using Linux for server runtime. Actural Linux natives aren't going to touch that stuff. There is no new Microsoft. I've been hearing new Microsoft for over 20 years. In that time they never stopped the patent trolling, corrupted the ISO process for OOXML, continued their anti competive practices, etc. They never stopped being a big tech monster. Just equally big new monsters came along so they went it to background to those not watching. They still need dealing with. They are the definition of the confusion of standards and monopolies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I think it will remain a Windows dev thing. Even if they sometimes use Linux as a runtime. Linux devs will use Python or something else. PHP is legacy really now. Go is popular for apps started at a certain time, but Rust seams to be replacing it. Which is good as Go is as Google as C# is MS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that we have to define what exactly we are talking about. Existing Linux devs are indeed unlikely to switch to .NET, though perhaps a bit unfairly (based on 'old' Microsoft) but who really knows what future brings. Anyway, I was talking about .NET apps running on Linux, not about Linux developers switch to .NET. We can agree on this, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* As I said, I can see Windows .NET people using Linux for server runtime. Actural Linux natives aren't going to touch that stuff. There is no new Microsoft. I've been hearing new Microsoft for over 20 years. In that time they never stopped the patent trolling, corrupted the ISO process for OOXML, continued their anti competive practices, etc. They never stopped being a big tech monster. Just equally big new monsters came along so they went it to background to those not watching. They still need dealing with. They are the definition of the confusion of standards and monopolies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that we have to define what exactly we are talking about. Existing Linux devs are indeed unlikely to switch to .NET, though perhaps a bit unfairly (based on 'old' Microsoft) but who really knows what future brings. Anyway, I was talking about .NET apps running on Linux, not about Linux developers switch to .NET. We can agree on this, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* As I said, I can see Windows .NET people using Linux for server runtime. Actural Linux natives aren't going to touch that stuff. There is no new Microsoft. I've been hearing new Microsoft for over 20 years. In that time they never stopped the patent trolling, corrupted the ISO process for OOXML, continued their anti competive practices, etc. They never stopped being a big tech monster. Just equally big new monsters came along so they went it to background to those not watching. They still need dealing with. They are the definition of the confusion of standards and monopolies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* As I said, I can see Windows .NET people using Linux for server runtime. Actural Linux natives aren't going to touch that stuff. There is no new Microsoft. I've been hearing new Microsoft for over 20 years. In that time they never stopped the patent trolling, corrupted the ISO process for OOXML, continued their anti competive practices, etc. They never stopped being a big tech monster. Just equally big new monsters came along so they went it to background to those not watching. They still need dealing with. They are the definition of the confusion of standards and monopolies. permalink fedilink source parent