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[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I agree with you in certain aspects. Democrats are certainly not left of center by any means. None. Nor are they centrist. They've always been right of center. But sitting next to the far right Republicans makes them appear reasonable. Overton window.

That being said they threw us a bone by pushing biden out, which is inherently progressive (even minimally). The conservative traditional dem way would have been to stick it out with biden. Also, Walz was the most progressive pick of all the VPs. He's no bernie, but it's still something. Way better than the alternatives.

And lastly but most importantly, trump. Trump is the worst of the worst of the worst of ruthless exploitative conservative republican capitalism. He's a cheater, exploiter, and now a convicted felon. He would love to be a fascist dictator IF he had any opportunity. And whether he publicly says so or not, that project 2025 horror is real and what much of his base wants and what his "cabinet" would absolutely push for.

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Would you like to have more then one chance to defeat trump and the republicans? Replacing First Past The Post voting with a more representative electoral system like Ranked Choice voting allows 3rd parties to run with no chance for a spoiler effect.

This means we could have multiple political parties competing to defeat the republicans. We could have democracy. We could be free.

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[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago

Obviously I would love ranked choice. What's the possibility we would ever get it though? I'd say slim to none.

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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

Trump is the worst of the worst of the worst of ruthless exploitative conservative republican capitalism.

This isn't why the republicans oppose him. They oppose him because Trump is a wildcard. He represents chaos, the Id of the parties of Capital.

He was intensely destructive to the monied interests that back both parties, and it was only by exploiting a removed in the armor of our two-party system that he ever was elected in the first place. If he were running under DNC primary rules, the primary system would have bernied him demoting him to not much more then a footnote in history. But the GOP primary system was a bit too democratic, it actually allowed outsider candidates to build momentum and even become the candidate.

I haven't looked much inside the GOP system, but I suspect that a bunch of quiet changes have taken place, similar to the changes Hillary made after she lost in 2008.

Lemmy.ml word-filter suffers another common L. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/removed_in_one%27s_armor

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[–] unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago

Ah, racist thought police won't let you use a word that has a meaning that's a slur. That's fun.

Agreed about Trump being a wild card and this being among his biggest weaknesses. If he presented cohesive plans for even a medium term policy horizon (10 years?) that aligned with conservative interests, he'd probably be able to keep a lot of their support.

I imagine it's tough to spend your whole career working to implement conservative policies that are centrist enough that the down-ballot races aren't negatively affected and run headlong into Trump, whose actions have created so many antis that Congressional races are being impacted and weakening the party more broadly.

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[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I agree about the chaotic wildcard bit, but I fear he's worse than the bad "organized establishment" Republicans of old.

He's anti establishment, but very much in the wrong direction. Typical conservatives want to exploit the poor and working class to get money and power. But they're smart enough to think long term and not completely destroy the system, so as to actually keep all the money and power long term.

Trump isn't like this, I dont think he's smart enough as many may agree. He is a failure, a failed businessman with many silly and ridiculous failed business ideas. He makes stupid decisions and doesn't think long term. He wants money and power, but will make stupid decisions to get it, regardless of long term consequences. This is what I see, at least.

This is why the fascism word is spread around, as a realistic fear. Look at our supreme court. He doesn't care about any of the repercussions of his decisions.

I'm arguing that trump is worse than the horrible Republicans that are now rejecting him, rightly so, as much as I hate them too. Your comment almost seemed to say he's not as bad, but I could be wrong.

Are you talking about these guys?

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago

I agree about the chaotic wildcard bit, but I fear he’s worse than the bad “organized establishment” Republicans of old.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Trump is worse, but he's also incredibly stupid. He couldn't pull off a fascist dictatorship without collapsing the country. His fascist coalition is relatively small and unpopular among the actual citizenry. His last presidency saw the largest protest movement in US history. He's also old and fat - he could die at any point. It's not the end of the world if he wins, and we need to prepare for what we're going to do if he does.