▲ 772 ▼ Algerian Imane Khelif wins boxing gold medal after her gender was wrongly questioned (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 2 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 333 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Make it 2 classes, open and restricted. Clear rules on who is allowed in the restricted class. Edit People down voting, do you not want a restricted class? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) When it's a cis woman you're worried about against other cis women? No? I'm starting to think that we should have civics tests to use the Internet..... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) It seems that, going forward, a stricter definition and (private and respectful) testing of cis categorisation would reduce the pain and suffering (from armchair commentators like ourselves) of all future competitors at top levels of womens sports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Umm is the person in the correct weight class for this event? Yes. Okay next! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) For the "men's" event, yes. Weight is the only restriction. Women should be able to fight in the men's event if they qualify. For the women's classification there must be a clear line drawn somewhere between "has given birth" and "changed their name to Sue". (I have no preference exactly where that line is drawn) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old from China competing as a skateboarder. The youngest ever was an 11-year-old who competed in gymnastics. Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? Why do you think women need to be protected by having to prove they're women? Do you really not get that tons of women would be discouraged from competing if they felt they had to satisfy some white knight's genetic criteria? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? If there is no gender advantage there is no need. Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. There needs to be a clear line otherwise these arguments will continue to occur. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there is no gender advantage there is no need. So there's no need? Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? So there is a need? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That's their job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. What convinced you of this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do tell us what makes a woman a real woman. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That is an excellent question that the Olympic committee should answer clearly and definitively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are the one claiming she's not a real woman. It's up to you to define it. They already have an answer, you just don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've not claimed anything about any individual. I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fine. What is the test they should use? You don't like their criteria, so what should the criteria be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised. It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. Why does there need to be a test? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Irrational_exuberance@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whatever the decision is the Olympic committee should make it and not run away from contested issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago What is contested about a cis woman boxer boxing cis women? permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They made it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not really. "the gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport." is inadequate. For example this definition doesn't cover intersex cases or state sponsored fraud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weirdly, the only people who seem to find it inadequate are the people who just can't accept Ms. Khelif is a woman who can box other women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is inadequate because what is written on a piece of paper can be different in reality. An intersex person is unlikely to have that listed on their passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, it seems like the only people who find it inadequate are people like you who think women need the protection of people with penises from other people with penises when this is not something most female athletes want. But hey, you know what's best for women, right? They shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you are projecting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago See my other comment about me thinking you're a troll. This is not helping. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) When it's a cis woman you're worried about against other cis women? No? I'm starting to think that we should have civics tests to use the Internet..... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) It seems that, going forward, a stricter definition and (private and respectful) testing of cis categorisation would reduce the pain and suffering (from armchair commentators like ourselves) of all future competitors at top levels of womens sports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Umm is the person in the correct weight class for this event? Yes. Okay next! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) For the "men's" event, yes. Weight is the only restriction. Women should be able to fight in the men's event if they qualify. For the women's classification there must be a clear line drawn somewhere between "has given birth" and "changed their name to Sue". (I have no preference exactly where that line is drawn) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old from China competing as a skateboarder. The youngest ever was an 11-year-old who competed in gymnastics. Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? Why do you think women need to be protected by having to prove they're women? Do you really not get that tons of women would be discouraged from competing if they felt they had to satisfy some white knight's genetic criteria? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? If there is no gender advantage there is no need. Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. There needs to be a clear line otherwise these arguments will continue to occur. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there is no gender advantage there is no need. So there's no need? Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? So there is a need? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That's their job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. What convinced you of this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do tell us what makes a woman a real woman. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That is an excellent question that the Olympic committee should answer clearly and definitively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are the one claiming she's not a real woman. It's up to you to define it. They already have an answer, you just don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've not claimed anything about any individual. I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fine. What is the test they should use? You don't like their criteria, so what should the criteria be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised. It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. Why does there need to be a test? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) It seems that, going forward, a stricter definition and (private and respectful) testing of cis categorisation would reduce the pain and suffering (from armchair commentators like ourselves) of all future competitors at top levels of womens sports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Umm is the person in the correct weight class for this event? Yes. Okay next! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) For the "men's" event, yes. Weight is the only restriction. Women should be able to fight in the men's event if they qualify. For the women's classification there must be a clear line drawn somewhere between "has given birth" and "changed their name to Sue". (I have no preference exactly where that line is drawn) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old from China competing as a skateboarder. The youngest ever was an 11-year-old who competed in gymnastics. Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? Why do you think women need to be protected by having to prove they're women? Do you really not get that tons of women would be discouraged from competing if they felt they had to satisfy some white knight's genetic criteria? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? If there is no gender advantage there is no need. Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. There needs to be a clear line otherwise these arguments will continue to occur. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there is no gender advantage there is no need. So there's no need? Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? So there is a need? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That's their job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. What convinced you of this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do tell us what makes a woman a real woman. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That is an excellent question that the Olympic committee should answer clearly and definitively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are the one claiming she's not a real woman. It's up to you to define it. They already have an answer, you just don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've not claimed anything about any individual. I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fine. What is the test they should use? You don't like their criteria, so what should the criteria be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised. It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. Why does there need to be a test? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Umm is the person in the correct weight class for this event? Yes. Okay next! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) For the "men's" event, yes. Weight is the only restriction. Women should be able to fight in the men's event if they qualify. For the women's classification there must be a clear line drawn somewhere between "has given birth" and "changed their name to Sue". (I have no preference exactly where that line is drawn) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old from China competing as a skateboarder. The youngest ever was an 11-year-old who competed in gymnastics. Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? Why do you think women need to be protected by having to prove they're women? Do you really not get that tons of women would be discouraged from competing if they felt they had to satisfy some white knight's genetic criteria? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? If there is no gender advantage there is no need. Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. There needs to be a clear line otherwise these arguments will continue to occur. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there is no gender advantage there is no need. So there's no need? Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? So there is a need? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That's their job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. What convinced you of this? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) For the "men's" event, yes. Weight is the only restriction. Women should be able to fight in the men's event if they qualify. For the women's classification there must be a clear line drawn somewhere between "has given birth" and "changed their name to Sue". (I have no preference exactly where that line is drawn) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old from China competing as a skateboarder. The youngest ever was an 11-year-old who competed in gymnastics. Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? Why do you think women need to be protected by having to prove they're women? Do you really not get that tons of women would be discouraged from competing if they felt they had to satisfy some white knight's genetic criteria? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? If there is no gender advantage there is no need. Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. There needs to be a clear line otherwise these arguments will continue to occur. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there is no gender advantage there is no need. So there's no need? Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? So there is a need? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That's their job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. What convinced you of this? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old from China competing as a skateboarder. The youngest ever was an 11-year-old who competed in gymnastics. Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? Why do you think women need to be protected by having to prove they're women? Do you really not get that tons of women would be discouraged from competing if they felt they had to satisfy some white knight's genetic criteria? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? If there is no gender advantage there is no need. Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. There needs to be a clear line otherwise these arguments will continue to occur. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there is no gender advantage there is no need. So there's no need? Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? So there is a need? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That's their job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. What convinced you of this? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test? If there is no gender advantage there is no need. Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. There needs to be a clear line otherwise these arguments will continue to occur. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there is no gender advantage there is no need. So there's no need? Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? So there is a need? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That's their job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. What convinced you of this? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there is no gender advantage there is no need. So there's no need? Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation? So there is a need? Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That's their job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That's their job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think women need protection and men don't. That's the issue here. You're being a white knight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Governing bodies also provide safety regulations for men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) And yet you have never once mentioned how men need this same sort of protection. In fact, you've made it very clear that women need your protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I've not talked about horses or dogs either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And now I am almost certain you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. What convinced you of this? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do tell us what makes a woman a real woman. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That is an excellent question that the Olympic committee should answer clearly and definitively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are the one claiming she's not a real woman. It's up to you to define it. They already have an answer, you just don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've not claimed anything about any individual. I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fine. What is the test they should use? You don't like their criteria, so what should the criteria be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised. It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. Why does there need to be a test? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) That is an excellent question that the Olympic committee should answer clearly and definitively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are the one claiming she's not a real woman. It's up to you to define it. They already have an answer, you just don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've not claimed anything about any individual. I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fine. What is the test they should use? You don't like their criteria, so what should the criteria be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised. It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. Why does there need to be a test? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are the one claiming she's not a real woman. It's up to you to define it. They already have an answer, you just don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've not claimed anything about any individual. I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fine. What is the test they should use? You don't like their criteria, so what should the criteria be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised. It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. Why does there need to be a test? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've not claimed anything about any individual. I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fine. What is the test they should use? You don't like their criteria, so what should the criteria be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised. It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. Why does there need to be a test? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fine. What is the test they should use? You don't like their criteria, so what should the criteria be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised. It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised. It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it. You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not for me to decide the criteria. There must be a line somewhere, and that line needs to be much more consistent, clearer and well defined than a field on a passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago And you’re done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. Why does there need to be a test? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Irrational_exuberance@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whatever the decision is the Olympic committee should make it and not run away from contested issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago What is contested about a cis woman boxer boxing cis women? permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They made it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not really. "the gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport." is inadequate. For example this definition doesn't cover intersex cases or state sponsored fraud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weirdly, the only people who seem to find it inadequate are the people who just can't accept Ms. Khelif is a woman who can box other women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is inadequate because what is written on a piece of paper can be different in reality. An intersex person is unlikely to have that listed on their passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, it seems like the only people who find it inadequate are people like you who think women need the protection of people with penises from other people with penises when this is not something most female athletes want. But hey, you know what's best for women, right? They shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you are projecting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago See my other comment about me thinking you're a troll. This is not helping. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago What is contested about a cis woman boxer boxing cis women? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They made it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not really. "the gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport." is inadequate. For example this definition doesn't cover intersex cases or state sponsored fraud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weirdly, the only people who seem to find it inadequate are the people who just can't accept Ms. Khelif is a woman who can box other women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is inadequate because what is written on a piece of paper can be different in reality. An intersex person is unlikely to have that listed on their passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, it seems like the only people who find it inadequate are people like you who think women need the protection of people with penises from other people with penises when this is not something most female athletes want. But hey, you know what's best for women, right? They shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you are projecting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago See my other comment about me thinking you're a troll. This is not helping. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not really. "the gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport." is inadequate. For example this definition doesn't cover intersex cases or state sponsored fraud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weirdly, the only people who seem to find it inadequate are the people who just can't accept Ms. Khelif is a woman who can box other women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is inadequate because what is written on a piece of paper can be different in reality. An intersex person is unlikely to have that listed on their passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, it seems like the only people who find it inadequate are people like you who think women need the protection of people with penises from other people with penises when this is not something most female athletes want. But hey, you know what's best for women, right? They shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you are projecting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago See my other comment about me thinking you're a troll. This is not helping. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weirdly, the only people who seem to find it inadequate are the people who just can't accept Ms. Khelif is a woman who can box other women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is inadequate because what is written on a piece of paper can be different in reality. An intersex person is unlikely to have that listed on their passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, it seems like the only people who find it inadequate are people like you who think women need the protection of people with penises from other people with penises when this is not something most female athletes want. But hey, you know what's best for women, right? They shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you are projecting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago See my other comment about me thinking you're a troll. This is not helping. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is inadequate because what is written on a piece of paper can be different in reality. An intersex person is unlikely to have that listed on their passport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, it seems like the only people who find it inadequate are people like you who think women need the protection of people with penises from other people with penises when this is not something most female athletes want. But hey, you know what's best for women, right? They shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you are projecting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago See my other comment about me thinking you're a troll. This is not helping. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, it seems like the only people who find it inadequate are people like you who think women need the protection of people with penises from other people with penises when this is not something most female athletes want. But hey, you know what's best for women, right? They shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you are projecting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago See my other comment about me thinking you're a troll. This is not helping. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you are projecting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago See my other comment about me thinking you're a troll. This is not helping. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago See my other comment about me thinking you're a troll. This is not helping. permalink fedilink source parent