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Any Free speech, censorship resistant lemmy, mastodon and fediverse altrnatives ? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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Hi

I am looking for projects of links agregators or micro blogs, that don't rely on centralized servers and especially no mods. I've had it with mod's power trips. and how personal biases affect heavy moderation.

I want to try something with no governance, maybe p2p, and with better transparency than lemmy.

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[–] 28 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I'm not sure, but in my opinion, moderation is necessary. Any network without moderation will be flooded with Nazis and pedophiles. I don't think you'll have a good time.

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  • [+] [S] -14 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    At this point I am disappointed with every other internet model that came out so far. and I don't think that moderation has been a good addition, I can see the need for it if you are building a community around your own persona, like a streamer or influencer fandom. but for things like politcs and economies and stuff it just turns into echo chambers.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Sure but without moderation you're left with a Nazi echo-chamber. When there's no mechanism to kick out the Nazis, most normal people will leave over time. A platform that allows Nazis just becomes a Nazi platform.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You can go even broader. Its not only nazis and pedophiles. Every toxic behavior. If you dont have moderation, I can post pucs of dead children, gore and any phobia all day long and you can block me but you cant block the thousand bots I control (just an example, not real).

    Moderation is evidently necessary, the amount is the point of discussion. People who despise moderation are either ignorant or toxic. Either they dont care about others having a reasonably pleasant experience without getting shit thrown at them or they like to throw it.

    The internet and globalization has one major downside: we live in very different realities and some of us have very different needs than others. We dont belong in the same room all the time. We should be able to meet but we also need our space to be among our own. Thats why we have women‘s day in the public pools and certain other „discriminating“ measures. To keep folks safe and let them have fun.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Yeah I agree for the most part. I will say I think moderation can have problems though (example: Reddit for a while did that thing where they would ban 1 fascist subreddit for inciting violence against minorities and then also ban 10 leftist subreddits for people saying John Brown was based).

    But I think it depends on how the platform is designed and how moderation is implemented. Lemmy's implementation is some of the best I've seen.

    But I do agree, some form of moderation is necessary.

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  • [+] [S] -10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You mean Twitter ? which every liberal, leftist and their grandma still using it, despite it turning into a Nazi platform

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, I think the amount of non-fascist people has gone down since Musk bought Twitter. I anticipate it will continue with that trend. The process is not instant, especially when the platform is as pervasive as Twitter. But I think Twitter is a good demonstration of why moderation is a good thing.

    And yeah, moderation is often not implemented in a perfect way. But I think Lemmy's transparency (mod logs) approach is an improvement over traditional moderation.

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