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House of Representatives Votes 269-144 to Ban State Department from Citing Gaza Death Toll (www.democracynow.org)
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Rep. Rashida Tlaib: “But Palestinians are not just numbers. Behind these numbers are real people — mothers, fathers, sons, daughters — who have had their lives stolen from them and their families torn apart. And we should not be trying to hide it. These are innocent children and babies who have been bombed in their tents, burned alive, dismembered and deliberately starved to death. Where is our shared humanity in this chamber? There is so much anti-Palestinian racism in this chamber that my colleagues don’t even want to acknowledge that Palestinians exist at all, not when they’re alive and now not even when they’re dead. It’s absolutely disgusting. This is genocide denial.”

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[–] 18 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Not to mention that they didn't join the war until the Russians and Germans had bled themselves dry on the eastern front and the soviets were well on their way to Berlin.

If you wanted to debate who won the war based on how many of their men, women, military and civilian sacrificed themselves willingly and unwillingly, the Russians were far and away the obvious victors.

20 million compared to America's half million during the war.

The Russians died and killed more Germans than the Americans.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    The absolute scale of the Eastern Front compared to the Western Front is mind-boggling, and American media and education downplays the tremendous sacrifices made by the Red Army and how much they accomplished.

    During the war, the Western Allies were more than happy to have Nazi Germany and the USSR bleed each other out as much as possible, and then pretend they were team members on equal footing.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    they didn’t join the war until the Russians and Germans had bled themselves dry on the eastern front and the soviets were well on their way to Berlin.

    Your timeline is way off here. The US joined the war against Germany on Dec. 11th 1941, less than six months after Germany's invasion of the USSR which had not yet even stalled out in front of Moscow. The Soviets weren't "well on their way to Berlin" until late 1944, nearly three years later. Your other points are valid enough that you don't need to utterly mangle your first one.

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  • [+] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    And American businesses didn't mind being allied with the Nazis leading up to the war (Hitler saw Henry Ford, an out and out antisemite, as an inspiration and was given the highest nazi award to a foreigner), plenty of American businesses either directly or indirectly helped to finance the German war machine leading up to the war, Nazi Germany didn't build a multimillion dollar war machine in a global vacuum .... and then America allied with Nazi veterans AFTER the war ... it's basically Nazi scientists that sent them to the moon.

    Everyone made deals with the devil to benefit themselves at different times for different reasons.

    We can't point out one side allying with nazis and ignore others who did the same.

    Even in Canada where I'm from a lot of critics and historians have pointed out that after the war ... it was far more easier and acceptable to be a Nazi or a Fascist then it was to be a Socialist or Communist.

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