A cartoon titled "A Brief History of Self-Regulation..." with four panels.  1 - "Heavy Industry" shows a sign with "Cuyahoga River Cleveland" in front of a river on fire with black smoke in front of a shore with industrial buildings with active smokestacks between homes. 2 - "Chemical Companies" shows a sign with "Love Canal" on a dug up field filled with buried chemical waste next to homes while it is snowing.  3 - "Financial Sector" shows a red downward zigzag line (as if from a stock market graph) crashing into and destroying a home labeled "2008 Crash". 4 - "Airline Industry" shows an airplane falling out of the sky and barreling towards a single home with an active chimney.   Adam Zybus 2019 Caglecartoons.com The Buffalo News - ALT by @summerfallwinter@tech.lgbt
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[+] -22 points 2 years ago* (12 children)
  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    There's never been an actual communist government. As much as those countries like to say they're communist, that doesn't make it true. They're authoritarian, and you're buying their propaganda if you think they're actually communist.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If every "communist" government ever turned out to be authoritarian, you might want to ask yourself if there is some fundamental flaw in communism that makes it so it always turns out that way.

    Also, Marx literally called for a "dictatorship of the proletariat". If that isn't authoritarian, then IDK what is.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    You gotta be fucking dumb to think that there is only capitalism on the right and communism on the left.

    They are both extreme and should be treated as such.

    I assume you are from the US because your communism trigger is the fastest in the west.

    There isn't even an iota of leftism in the US political system and you call your left communist.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A bunch of Marxist-Leninist governments turned out to be authoritarian, as well as fermenting cult-like behavior in smaller ML groups. That's a reason to drop that whole branch. Has nothing to do with leftism in the broad view.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    They weren't communist, they were state capitalists, if you ask any serious person that knows anything about economic systems they will agree, that's the common consensus. Want another example of a state capitalist country? That's us. The US is a state capitalist country. Why? Well.. when a business fails, and the government props them up. That's state capitalism.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Meanwhile England created a man-made famine in Ireland and oversaw 15 of them in India, while the US straight up did the worst genocide the world has ever seen and is driving the climate catastrophy which might end up killing most of the humans on earth. Not defending socialist states, but there's not even a comparison here.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    You're missing the point. This isn't about which form of government is better, it's about the fact that governments themselves are liable to produce far worse catastrophes than the businesses they're supposed to be regulating, and every time you vote for giving the government more power to punish those you hate, you are also giving it more power to punish yourself.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago*

    The Romania link is kinda misleading. That isn't a big government problem: that's a profit crushing laypeople problem. Both the communist Romanian government and the capitalist government that followed wanted to profit from many different mines even though it would destroy nearby villages.

    Rosia Montana is still very controversial today. A different mine, but the same core reasoning and issues.

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