▲ 709 ▼ Patrick Breyer and Pirate Party lose EU Parliament seats (stackdiary.com) submitted 2 years ago by skilledtothegills@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 157 comments fedilink hide all child comments Patrick Breyer, a staunch defender of digital rights, laments the Pirate Party’s exit from the EU Parliament as a blow to online privacy.
[+] kilgore_trout@feddit.it -18 points 2 years ago* (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (5 children) No she isn't? Macron is president until the next French presidential election in 2027. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] errer@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Prolly their confusion is that Macron called for new elections, but unlike some parliamentary governments Macron isn’t selected by parliament. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago I mean yes, Macron was dumb on this one, but he isn't as dumb as that permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Don't expect a Le Pencil supporter to understand reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago I am not a supporter, I just find very stupid to postpone the inevitable while proposing… nothing better? permalink fedilink source parent [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago Yes, I misunderstood how the system works in France. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children) Strategic voting is what you're stuck doing depending on your local electoral process. She's going to become president in 2024, she could have become president in 2022 instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (7 children) If a party won't fix the serious issue to let me also vote for who I want, they're not entitled to my vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) You can deny the reality of the electoral system you're stuck with all you want, at the end of the day you're probably one of the people that will end up suffering the most because of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) Voting for a party I don't want is also suffering, though I doubt you'd believe that. Keeping the main parties in power via a rigged system ain't ending this catch 22 cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (4 children) I don't know who's worse, the person making people suffer or the person who could have prevented it doing nothing out of principle? Because that's exactly what people are doing by letting the right win by refusing to be strategic. Your opponent will 100% act strategically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is my hope that greater political diversity will prevent more suffering in the long run by governments better representing the people. It's very comfortable to blame others if your political opponents get into power. If you don't have another suggestion I can at least leave you with the small comfort that this bad person won't vote for the main party you dislike the most out of spite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Ok so let people suffer now to prevent suffering in the future? How many people? For how long in the future are we looking? You think as an opponent to Le Pen you're not one of those who will suffer? I'm starting to believe that the Russian trolls are now focusing on the French election. Tu parles français au moins? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting. I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (5 children) No she isn't? Macron is president until the next French presidential election in 2027. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] errer@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Prolly their confusion is that Macron called for new elections, but unlike some parliamentary governments Macron isn’t selected by parliament. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago I mean yes, Macron was dumb on this one, but he isn't as dumb as that permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Don't expect a Le Pencil supporter to understand reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago I am not a supporter, I just find very stupid to postpone the inevitable while proposing… nothing better? permalink fedilink source parent [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago Yes, I misunderstood how the system works in France. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] errer@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Prolly their confusion is that Macron called for new elections, but unlike some parliamentary governments Macron isn’t selected by parliament. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago I mean yes, Macron was dumb on this one, but he isn't as dumb as that permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Don't expect a Le Pencil supporter to understand reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago I am not a supporter, I just find very stupid to postpone the inevitable while proposing… nothing better? permalink fedilink source parent [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago Yes, I misunderstood how the system works in France. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago I mean yes, Macron was dumb on this one, but he isn't as dumb as that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Don't expect a Le Pencil supporter to understand reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago I am not a supporter, I just find very stupid to postpone the inevitable while proposing… nothing better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago I am not a supporter, I just find very stupid to postpone the inevitable while proposing… nothing better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago Yes, I misunderstood how the system works in France. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children) Strategic voting is what you're stuck doing depending on your local electoral process. She's going to become president in 2024, she could have become president in 2022 instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (7 children) If a party won't fix the serious issue to let me also vote for who I want, they're not entitled to my vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) You can deny the reality of the electoral system you're stuck with all you want, at the end of the day you're probably one of the people that will end up suffering the most because of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) Voting for a party I don't want is also suffering, though I doubt you'd believe that. Keeping the main parties in power via a rigged system ain't ending this catch 22 cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (4 children) I don't know who's worse, the person making people suffer or the person who could have prevented it doing nothing out of principle? Because that's exactly what people are doing by letting the right win by refusing to be strategic. Your opponent will 100% act strategically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is my hope that greater political diversity will prevent more suffering in the long run by governments better representing the people. It's very comfortable to blame others if your political opponents get into power. If you don't have another suggestion I can at least leave you with the small comfort that this bad person won't vote for the main party you dislike the most out of spite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Ok so let people suffer now to prevent suffering in the future? How many people? For how long in the future are we looking? You think as an opponent to Le Pen you're not one of those who will suffer? I'm starting to believe that the Russian trolls are now focusing on the French election. Tu parles français au moins? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting. I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (7 children) If a party won't fix the serious issue to let me also vote for who I want, they're not entitled to my vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) You can deny the reality of the electoral system you're stuck with all you want, at the end of the day you're probably one of the people that will end up suffering the most because of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) Voting for a party I don't want is also suffering, though I doubt you'd believe that. Keeping the main parties in power via a rigged system ain't ending this catch 22 cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (4 children) I don't know who's worse, the person making people suffer or the person who could have prevented it doing nothing out of principle? Because that's exactly what people are doing by letting the right win by refusing to be strategic. Your opponent will 100% act strategically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is my hope that greater political diversity will prevent more suffering in the long run by governments better representing the people. It's very comfortable to blame others if your political opponents get into power. If you don't have another suggestion I can at least leave you with the small comfort that this bad person won't vote for the main party you dislike the most out of spite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Ok so let people suffer now to prevent suffering in the future? How many people? For how long in the future are we looking? You think as an opponent to Le Pen you're not one of those who will suffer? I'm starting to believe that the Russian trolls are now focusing on the French election. Tu parles français au moins? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting. I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) You can deny the reality of the electoral system you're stuck with all you want, at the end of the day you're probably one of the people that will end up suffering the most because of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) Voting for a party I don't want is also suffering, though I doubt you'd believe that. Keeping the main parties in power via a rigged system ain't ending this catch 22 cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (4 children) I don't know who's worse, the person making people suffer or the person who could have prevented it doing nothing out of principle? Because that's exactly what people are doing by letting the right win by refusing to be strategic. Your opponent will 100% act strategically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is my hope that greater political diversity will prevent more suffering in the long run by governments better representing the people. It's very comfortable to blame others if your political opponents get into power. If you don't have another suggestion I can at least leave you with the small comfort that this bad person won't vote for the main party you dislike the most out of spite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Ok so let people suffer now to prevent suffering in the future? How many people? For how long in the future are we looking? You think as an opponent to Le Pen you're not one of those who will suffer? I'm starting to believe that the Russian trolls are now focusing on the French election. Tu parles français au moins? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting. I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) Voting for a party I don't want is also suffering, though I doubt you'd believe that. Keeping the main parties in power via a rigged system ain't ending this catch 22 cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (4 children) I don't know who's worse, the person making people suffer or the person who could have prevented it doing nothing out of principle? Because that's exactly what people are doing by letting the right win by refusing to be strategic. Your opponent will 100% act strategically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is my hope that greater political diversity will prevent more suffering in the long run by governments better representing the people. It's very comfortable to blame others if your political opponents get into power. If you don't have another suggestion I can at least leave you with the small comfort that this bad person won't vote for the main party you dislike the most out of spite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Ok so let people suffer now to prevent suffering in the future? How many people? For how long in the future are we looking? You think as an opponent to Le Pen you're not one of those who will suffer? I'm starting to believe that the Russian trolls are now focusing on the French election. Tu parles français au moins? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting. I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (4 children) I don't know who's worse, the person making people suffer or the person who could have prevented it doing nothing out of principle? Because that's exactly what people are doing by letting the right win by refusing to be strategic. Your opponent will 100% act strategically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is my hope that greater political diversity will prevent more suffering in the long run by governments better representing the people. It's very comfortable to blame others if your political opponents get into power. If you don't have another suggestion I can at least leave you with the small comfort that this bad person won't vote for the main party you dislike the most out of spite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Ok so let people suffer now to prevent suffering in the future? How many people? For how long in the future are we looking? You think as an opponent to Le Pen you're not one of those who will suffer? I'm starting to believe that the Russian trolls are now focusing on the French election. Tu parles français au moins? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting. I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is my hope that greater political diversity will prevent more suffering in the long run by governments better representing the people. It's very comfortable to blame others if your political opponents get into power. If you don't have another suggestion I can at least leave you with the small comfort that this bad person won't vote for the main party you dislike the most out of spite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Ok so let people suffer now to prevent suffering in the future? How many people? For how long in the future are we looking? You think as an opponent to Le Pen you're not one of those who will suffer? I'm starting to believe that the Russian trolls are now focusing on the French election. Tu parles français au moins? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting. I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Ok so let people suffer now to prevent suffering in the future? How many people? For how long in the future are we looking? You think as an opponent to Le Pen you're not one of those who will suffer? I'm starting to believe that the Russian trolls are now focusing on the French election. Tu parles français au moins? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting. I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting. I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Have fun dealing with your fascist government, I hope you'll remember these comments while you're being repressed. permalink fedilink source parent