Update: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-outage-affects-bing-copilot-duckduckgo-and-chatgpt-internet-search/

It's also important to note that ChatGPT internet search and DuckDuckGo are experiencing similar issues because they use the Bing API.

UPDATE 2

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[–] 77 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (44 children)

Okay.

Now that we already know we are pretty much at the hands of one pupeteer, what options are there?

I already read about Kagi (apologies if mispelled) but I like to write as a hobby and 300 searches per month go fast.

What other options are there?

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For those who may be arriving now:

  • Kagi seems to be a good option for an alternative search engine; it is a paid service, for which I don't have the €€€ right now. Many speak very well about it.
  • SearXNG is a thing as well, to my understanding a decentralized search system. Worth the try, in my opinion. If it's something that is decentralized, it is worthy to support and divulge.
  • There is mojeek.com, supposedly not very good but any option that goes against the monopoly is worth the try! I'm going to try this one.
  • Brave.com is an option but is a bit shady.
  • You should try Ecosia if you want to support reforestation efforts. Read somewhere in the thread it is part of the Bing ecosystem.
  • Yep is a thing as well. Somewhere in the thread, a lemmy points they use the search results for AI trainning. So... That is that.
  • And it seems there is a search engine by the name of dogpile.com.
  • Startpage is another search engine (portal?) suggested by another user. I've used it before and like it. Read somewhere it somehow piped a standard google search but removed tracking and ads.
  • and I just remembered Presearch.com. This is a really shady one (crypto warning!) that I suspect is a fork/collab with Brave Browser. I've used it, they have reward-per-search reward system (or had) where they give you crypto for every search. Good results, some that don't come up neither on DDG nor Google.

p.p.s Should I start categorizing these from "shady" to "worthy"?

p.p.s 2 Does anyone remember StumbleUpon? I know it was never a search engine to begin with but it was the best source of good internet content I ever got acquainted to.

Can we get something like that back?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This is the single most obnoxious name I've ever seen. But, the service could be good (I've never used it)

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Mojeek is far from perfect, but also is 100% independent.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That’s a nice hobby

    I would suggest you to install a local instance of a LLM (mistral or llama3 for example) to widen your source of information. Go straight to Wikipedia instead of “googling” it if you don’t already.

    Anyway, I didn’t know about kagi so I might take my own advice and give it a try.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    How big are they, and what do I need to use them well?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Most of 7b-8b models run just fine in 4bits quant and won’t use more than 4 or 5 GB of VRAM.

    The only important metric is the amount of VRAM as the model must be loaded in VRAM for fast inference.

    You could use CPU and RAM but it is really painfully slow.

    If you got an Apple Silicon Mac it could be even simpler.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I have an Intel Celeron Mobile laptop with iGPU and, I think, 256MB VRAM. How many bs does that get me for the LLM?

    Only half-joking. That's my still functional old daily driver now serving as homelab

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There's also mojeek.com running their own index. Not perfect, but sometimes usable.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There's a new search engine called Yep, made by the team at Ahrefs, a SEO tool SaaS.

    It looks promising because they have their own index, but it's a bit slow sometimes.

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