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Louisiana becomes 1st state to require the Ten Commandments be posted in classrooms (www.nola.com)
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[+] -36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (23 children)

States can establish religions. Federal government can't.

Edit: Forgot that federal government can indoctrinate religion just fine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    States can establish religions. Federal government can't.

    Over the last 150 years, the Supreme Court has pretty consistently found that the Bill of Rights applies to state as well as federal government: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

    See especially https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education:

    Everson v. Board of Education ... was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that applied the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to state law.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Mandatory "one nation under god" pledge in school classes disagrees that religion cannot be established.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The pledge isn't mandatory. By law, it has to be optional. Schools have gotten in trouble over it.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    There are so many cases of promoting Christianity by the US government, a few cherrypicked cases of "trouble" doesn't disprove any of this.

    • "As a matter of historical tradition, the words 'under God' can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words 'In God We Trust' from every coin in the land, than the words 'so help me God' from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges

    Also, the US print religious indoctrination on their currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    That's not how it works. State law can't supersede federal law.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    State law can’t supersede federal law.

    And Congress cannot pass laws on that. Constitution says so.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent. Only a Clarence Thomas-level originalist would make such an argument.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent.

    Mandatory "one nation under god" pledge in school classes proves that establishing religion in the US is fine.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (10 children)
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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Those are literally not mandatory.

    Except when they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges

    • "the Pledge of Allegiance does not violate the rights of those who don't believe in God and does not have to be removed from the patriotic message"

    • "As a matter of historical tradition, the words 'under God' can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words 'In God We Trust' from every coin in the land, than the words 'so help me God' from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787."

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I'm not sure what you think those quotes prove. Those quotes say nothing about it being mandatory.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I’m not sure what you think those quotes prove.

    That it's perfectly fine to for the government to promote Christian religion, i.e. what the submitted story is about.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    That would also be false: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_deism

    Now, will you admit you were incorrect about the pledge of allegiance being mandatory in schools?

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    That would also be false: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_deism

    Nah, that's a bullshit excuse for religious indoctrination.

    Now, will you admit you were incorrect about the pledge of allegiance being mandatory in schools?

    No. If the pledge must be taught in school and some individual students can opt out of repeating that indoctrination, doesn't mean that the pledge itself is not mandatory subject in school. I did not write that all students must recite it.

    All your "ceremonial deism" reference proves is that there is a giant loophole for the federal government to indoctrinate on religion and not just state and lower levels.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If the pledge must be taught in school

    This is also not a requirement. I'm just going to stop talking to you. Virtually everything you have said so far has not been true and you won't even acknowledge any of it.

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  • [+] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
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