▲ 892 ▼ Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly (programming.dev) submitted 2 years ago by pro_grammer@programming.dev to c/steam@lemmy.ml 283 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 294 points 2 years ago (36 children) Breaking peoples games after 4 months will do that permalink fedilink source hideshow 36 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -391 points 2 years ago (35 children) Nothing is broken, people are choosing to not abide by the terms they accepted to when the bought the game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 35 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 112 points 2 years ago (18 children) https://hackertalks.com/comment/3633295 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] ranoss@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago I do not think enough people are aware of the limits to who can make the newly required accounts. permalink fedilink source parent [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -251 points 2 years ago (16 children) So for those who can’t have a PSN account the failure was on them for buying the game anyway, since it was included on the store page, terms, and shows up on launch. Now, I agree they should get a refund if it locks them out the game. For the rest of the caterwauling, what will they do when Steam denies their refund after playing 200hours? Boycott Steam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 127 points 2 years ago File support tickets directly with Arrowhead https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage. But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to. Make noise, be disgruntled, don't play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They're stealing time and money from you, it's fair to do it to them. But legally permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (11 children) You really are a dick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -135 points 2 years ago (10 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (3 children) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 31 points 2 years ago terms, It's not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There's no mention of a requirement to use PSN's networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It's ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Guuuuuuys... stop being mean to corporations! Didn't you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$ (If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 75 points 2 years ago (2 children) the virgin EULA worshipper vs the chad consumer rights advocate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 45 points 2 years ago (1 child) virgin EULA worshipper It's actually not even in either EULA published on the steam page. This is just a shill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago lol that's even worse permalink fedilink source parent [–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 years ago* This is the reason I didn't buy the game, but people bought it and now they're angry they're enforcing it? You're totally right, except for the people from the countries that don't get PSN. How is it legal to sell them the game in the first place if they can't meet the requirements to play? Scummy move. permalink fedilink source parent [–] griD@feddit.de 33 points 2 years ago Pointing to the ToS / EULA like we are in a fucking South Park episode, LMAO permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago The devs themselves have asked users to review bomb their own game on their discord. Your not standing up for them, your standing for Sony and Sony alone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* It's not in the EULAs pertaining to this game, and Sony changed their PC Games FAQ on May 3rd after the announcement that PSN would be required, meaning the FAQ people read when they bought the game is different from the one Sony is trying to enforce. Before: After: permalink fedilink source parent [+] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Uhh axktuallay on page treefiddy on the TOS it says you get a downvote permalink fedilink source parent [–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago I did not know we had controversial bots on Lemmy already! permalink fedilink source parent [+] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world -48 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Ol' hivemind. I type this will dropping in to kill some bug hives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "anyone who disagrees with me are part of the 'hive mind', the only way to not be part of a hive mind is if you agree with all the things I believe. You know, like some sort of hive mind." Nah man, it's just a bunch of individuals that happen to agree that you're an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dettweiler42@lemmy.world -92 points 2 years ago (1 child) They hated him because he spoke the truth. I don't like it either, but I had to make an account on day 1. It's also a requirement for any game hosted on Sony's game servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -71 points 2 years ago Thanks mate 🫂 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -391 points 2 years ago (35 children) Nothing is broken, people are choosing to not abide by the terms they accepted to when the bought the game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 35 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 112 points 2 years ago (18 children) https://hackertalks.com/comment/3633295 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] ranoss@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago I do not think enough people are aware of the limits to who can make the newly required accounts. permalink fedilink source parent [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -251 points 2 years ago (16 children) So for those who can’t have a PSN account the failure was on them for buying the game anyway, since it was included on the store page, terms, and shows up on launch. Now, I agree they should get a refund if it locks them out the game. For the rest of the caterwauling, what will they do when Steam denies their refund after playing 200hours? Boycott Steam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 127 points 2 years ago File support tickets directly with Arrowhead https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage. But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to. Make noise, be disgruntled, don't play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They're stealing time and money from you, it's fair to do it to them. But legally permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (11 children) You really are a dick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -135 points 2 years ago (10 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (3 children) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 31 points 2 years ago terms, It's not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There's no mention of a requirement to use PSN's networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It's ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Guuuuuuys... stop being mean to corporations! Didn't you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$ (If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 75 points 2 years ago (2 children) the virgin EULA worshipper vs the chad consumer rights advocate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 45 points 2 years ago (1 child) virgin EULA worshipper It's actually not even in either EULA published on the steam page. This is just a shill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago lol that's even worse permalink fedilink source parent [–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 years ago* This is the reason I didn't buy the game, but people bought it and now they're angry they're enforcing it? You're totally right, except for the people from the countries that don't get PSN. How is it legal to sell them the game in the first place if they can't meet the requirements to play? Scummy move. permalink fedilink source parent [–] griD@feddit.de 33 points 2 years ago Pointing to the ToS / EULA like we are in a fucking South Park episode, LMAO permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago The devs themselves have asked users to review bomb their own game on their discord. Your not standing up for them, your standing for Sony and Sony alone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* It's not in the EULAs pertaining to this game, and Sony changed their PC Games FAQ on May 3rd after the announcement that PSN would be required, meaning the FAQ people read when they bought the game is different from the one Sony is trying to enforce. Before: After: permalink fedilink source parent [+] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Uhh axktuallay on page treefiddy on the TOS it says you get a downvote permalink fedilink source parent [–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago I did not know we had controversial bots on Lemmy already! permalink fedilink source parent [+] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world -48 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Ol' hivemind. I type this will dropping in to kill some bug hives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "anyone who disagrees with me are part of the 'hive mind', the only way to not be part of a hive mind is if you agree with all the things I believe. You know, like some sort of hive mind." Nah man, it's just a bunch of individuals that happen to agree that you're an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dettweiler42@lemmy.world -92 points 2 years ago (1 child) They hated him because he spoke the truth. I don't like it either, but I had to make an account on day 1. It's also a requirement for any game hosted on Sony's game servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -71 points 2 years ago Thanks mate 🫂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 112 points 2 years ago (18 children) https://hackertalks.com/comment/3633295 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] ranoss@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago I do not think enough people are aware of the limits to who can make the newly required accounts. permalink fedilink source parent [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -251 points 2 years ago (16 children) So for those who can’t have a PSN account the failure was on them for buying the game anyway, since it was included on the store page, terms, and shows up on launch. Now, I agree they should get a refund if it locks them out the game. For the rest of the caterwauling, what will they do when Steam denies their refund after playing 200hours? Boycott Steam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 127 points 2 years ago File support tickets directly with Arrowhead https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage. But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to. Make noise, be disgruntled, don't play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They're stealing time and money from you, it's fair to do it to them. But legally permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (11 children) You really are a dick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -135 points 2 years ago (10 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (3 children) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 31 points 2 years ago terms, It's not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There's no mention of a requirement to use PSN's networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It's ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Guuuuuuys... stop being mean to corporations! Didn't you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$ (If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ranoss@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago I do not think enough people are aware of the limits to who can make the newly required accounts. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -251 points 2 years ago (16 children) So for those who can’t have a PSN account the failure was on them for buying the game anyway, since it was included on the store page, terms, and shows up on launch. Now, I agree they should get a refund if it locks them out the game. For the rest of the caterwauling, what will they do when Steam denies their refund after playing 200hours? Boycott Steam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 127 points 2 years ago File support tickets directly with Arrowhead https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage. But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to. Make noise, be disgruntled, don't play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They're stealing time and money from you, it's fair to do it to them. But legally permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (11 children) You really are a dick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -135 points 2 years ago (10 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (3 children) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 31 points 2 years ago terms, It's not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There's no mention of a requirement to use PSN's networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It's ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Guuuuuuys... stop being mean to corporations! Didn't you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$ (If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 127 points 2 years ago File support tickets directly with Arrowhead https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage. But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to. Make noise, be disgruntled, don't play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They're stealing time and money from you, it's fair to do it to them. But legally permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dog_@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (11 children) You really are a dick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -135 points 2 years ago (10 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (3 children) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -135 points 2 years ago (10 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (3 children) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (3 children) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 31 points 2 years ago terms, It's not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There's no mention of a requirement to use PSN's networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It's ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Guuuuuuys... stop being mean to corporations! Didn't you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$ (If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 75 points 2 years ago (2 children) the virgin EULA worshipper vs the chad consumer rights advocate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 45 points 2 years ago (1 child) virgin EULA worshipper It's actually not even in either EULA published on the steam page. This is just a shill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago lol that's even worse permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 45 points 2 years ago (1 child) virgin EULA worshipper It's actually not even in either EULA published on the steam page. This is just a shill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago lol that's even worse permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago lol that's even worse permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 years ago* This is the reason I didn't buy the game, but people bought it and now they're angry they're enforcing it? You're totally right, except for the people from the countries that don't get PSN. How is it legal to sell them the game in the first place if they can't meet the requirements to play? Scummy move. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] griD@feddit.de 33 points 2 years ago Pointing to the ToS / EULA like we are in a fucking South Park episode, LMAO permalink fedilink source parent
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago The devs themselves have asked users to review bomb their own game on their discord. Your not standing up for them, your standing for Sony and Sony alone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* It's not in the EULAs pertaining to this game, and Sony changed their PC Games FAQ on May 3rd after the announcement that PSN would be required, meaning the FAQ people read when they bought the game is different from the one Sony is trying to enforce. Before: After: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Uhh axktuallay on page treefiddy on the TOS it says you get a downvote permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago I did not know we had controversial bots on Lemmy already! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world -48 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Ol' hivemind. I type this will dropping in to kill some bug hives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "anyone who disagrees with me are part of the 'hive mind', the only way to not be part of a hive mind is if you agree with all the things I believe. You know, like some sort of hive mind." Nah man, it's just a bunch of individuals that happen to agree that you're an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "anyone who disagrees with me are part of the 'hive mind', the only way to not be part of a hive mind is if you agree with all the things I believe. You know, like some sort of hive mind." Nah man, it's just a bunch of individuals that happen to agree that you're an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Dettweiler42@lemmy.world -92 points 2 years ago (1 child) They hated him because he spoke the truth. I don't like it either, but I had to make an account on day 1. It's also a requirement for any game hosted on Sony's game servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -71 points 2 years ago Thanks mate 🫂 permalink fedilink source parent