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How many hexbears think there will actually be a popular revolution in the West in our time? (hexbear.net)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/askchapo@hexbear.net
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Genuinely curious. I keep thinking “it can’t get much worse without some kind of mass uprising” but the ability of the general population of Western states to just soak up suffering seems endless. Do you think we will actually see mass movements in the next decade or two? Or just slowly lurch into a void of ever-shittier liberalism?

By the West I mean like. Western Europe and the Anglosphere I guess.

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[–] 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

With climate change the way it is there is a 100% certainty of revolutionary conditions. Some countries will go fascist, some will be won by the left.

You need to look at the weather happening in the phillipines right now to understand this. 45 celsius.

Parts of the world are to become uninhabitable. This is a fact. Hundreds of millions of people are to be displaced.

The fascism that will descend to try to prevent this will not succeed. The scale of it is too much. They will not be able to control it. They will try but they will fail.

Revolutions under those conditions are inevitable. Shit is going to get really really crazy. What we are going to see is entirely without precedent.

Revolution will occur not because of popular support for socialism but out of societal collapse amid turmoil and unrest.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    This is the right answer. Several of the the comments in this thread have correctly identified climate change as an important factor, but it seems like they aren't recognizing how much of an accelerant for revolution it really is. Maybe revolution is not the perfect term here so much as radical and extreme political change because as you say, it can go in the direction of communism or fascism depending as always on the material conditions. Either way, the current status quo for every nation on the planet doesn't have long left, and its death is going to happen faster and faster in the coming few decades.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    We need to look at the police states and fascism that will descend and consider what reaction to that will occur as well. Fascism will descend but as soon as people get a taste of it the reaction against it will be very quickly. Look at the UK and the tories as a snapshot of this. There is categorically no support for the tories, it has collapsed. The timing of this collapse is extremely unfortunate with the state of the labour party but it goes to show how quickly things can turn when people get a taste of their lives getting worse.

    Right now I hear shit loads of people that are vaguely reactionary, like the Brexit voters, all saying they intend to vote for Galloway's party even if it obviously won't win. Obviously voting is not going to get us anywhere but as an indication of leftists riding the waves of discontent and vanguarding even among reactionaries I think he's a solid example even if I have significant distaste for his messaging.

    When the collapse happens and revolutionary conditions descend this kind of weird reactionary crowds agreeing with the left is going to happen as well.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Well said. The imperialists have gone a good job of insulating themselves from the harshest effects of climate crisis so far but that can’t last forever.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Even they understand this. They're setting up bunkers to retreat to because they understand the inevitability of this turmoil themselves.

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