I don't think dishes and laundry are a socio-economic problem unless you're implying all ADHD people should always be able to afford household help and assistance. Plenty of people with disabilities and challenges have to deal with chores as a function of being alive, including ADHD people. It's a part of existence that your clothes will need washing, trash will need to be taken out, and I agree that not doing them is a bad thing. The timetable, the consequences of inaction, the associated stress, all of that can be variable and that is where flexibility should be given, but ffs ADHD people should and need to do chores too.

Would I hate an ideal world where people with bad ADHD have people to cook and clean for them? No, but it's not social injustice; just life. It's a personal problem in the same way losing an arm is a personal problem; to an extent society has a responsibility to help you cope with it, but it still sucks to lose an arm.

I wonder if it comes from the whole 'nuclear family' concept from the '50s. Just the idea that each person, plus a partner and offspring, must be self-sufficient, living on their own little kingdom in the 'burbs. I often think about how if we took human differences and ability to specialize to apply to living conditions, and not just your job (which we aren't that great at either, but better), then we might be using bigger groups of people with more sophisticated living arrangements. But is that all just hypothetical, or do people actually live like that anywhere in the world or history?

Societies are inherently rigid. Getting one person to change takes a hell of a lot less time and effort than getting 200 million of them to change.

Absolutely! I guess I wasn't arguing against you so much as saying "Well it's a bit of both."

ADHD makes society's ridiculous mandated coercion much more difficult, but it also gets in my own personal way when there's things I want/need to do and it purposely sabotages me, y'know?

It definitely creates a negative feedback loop. Socioeconomic pressures on ADHD brains make the personal tasks worse, which in turn make the socioeconomic ones more difficult, and round and round we go...

I'm glad we can agree mutually on something with absolute certainty though: my boss was indeed, an idiot. 😉

Yup. There's an appeal to a simple job that you can just do and no larger stress beyond the physical. But if that job involves waste of assorted kind, then you gotta pay enough and treat people with dignity.

For me it's more of a neck problem usually when I'm cooking or washing dishes and I'm only 6'

Everything in this world was made for someone at least 6 inches shorter than me.

Everyone respects a person who is doing a job well.

It’s only when people aren’t, that we notice at all.

Not everyone wants to get the "greatest" career path with getting a bachelor etc, sadly I don't really have anything outside of anectdotal evidence that there are really people that prefer doing a job like garbage worker or cleaner.

I don't really get what you are trying to say