[–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago

yeah that's how i see it too, it's not about being 100% pure. a eu tool with one us dependency is already miles ahead of full us big tech, and easier to finish the job later

the audit's just there to make the hidden part visible, not to shame anyone

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    fair hit, and yeah the irony of a transparency thing being cagey isn't lost on me

    honest reason: link posts from new accounts get auto-nuked on reddit and i wasn't sure about the rules here, so i kept it out to avoid the filter, came across worse than intended

    so openly: euroseal is mine, i'm building it, the audit is real and the method's public so anyone can redo it, but yeah i've got a horse in this

    appreciate you saying it straight instead of just downvoting

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    big ones: google's in 118 of the 307, cloudflare in front of 111, aws ~70, microsoft ~35. that's the 70%.

    clean side is mostly hetzner, some ovh and infomaniak. handful that were spotless top to bottom: forgejo, kimai, keila, solidtime, vantevo, nordname. nordname's even on desec for dns, nice. full breakdown + method here euroseal.pages.dev/audit

    didn't name the offenders one by one, a single scan can be wrong about any given company and that's not fair to pin on them

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    Went through 307 SaaS tools that market themselves as European or EU based and checked what actually sits under the hood: hosting, CDN, DNS, email, analytics.

    70% have at least one hard dependency on a US provider. Most common:

    • Google in the stack of 118 of 307 (mostly Workspace mail, plus fonts and analytics)
    • Cloudflare in front of 111
    • AWS hosting 70
    • Microsoft 35

    None of this shows up on their marketing pages. You read "hosted in the EU" and the mail still routes through Google, the site still sits behind Cloudflare.

    The cleaner side: 91 of the 307 had no US dependency at all. Most common EU providers there were Hetzner, Scaleway, Bunny and TransIP. So an EU only stack is genuinely doable in 2026, it is just rarer than the marketing suggests.

    Happy to share the full list and methodology if anyone wants it.