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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the discussions have been going on for that long, why this exact moment in time, and why such a short deadline?

Why any moment in time? We did it when we did it. We could do it a year from now and we’d probably have the same conversation. We could do it five years ago, we’d be having the same conversation.

I guess what I still don’t quite understand is, if this has been thought about for a long time, is the goal just to meet this deadline and move on? Like just turn a new leaf from there?

We don’t have to meet our deadline. We told folks hey, we need to come up with a plan, or we’re going to start billing you on July 1st.

Complete mess of a CEO. I'm so glad that I'm not using Reddit anymore.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Those answers were disappointingly evasive. The questions were clear and he chose non-answers. Yuck.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s unfortunate. I understand your trying to IPO and his goal is to get his golden parachute afterwards. But you’d think the board and him would want to foster some goodwill with the community the depend on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If he was gonna bullshit someone it should have been investors and advertisers, not users. Look at pre-Elon twitter, Jack Dorsey knew how to IPO on straight hedgefund money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They‘re fine if anyone with some critical thought leaves and the only ones left behind are the master bootlickers who would eat a plate of shit as long as it got served by Reddit.

Could even be seen as an improvement to them considering that includes communities like r/piracy which the mere existence of could hurt their capitalist investors feelings.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Dude absolutely hates third party apps. Calls them his direct competitors and demeans them. Even says he ‘made a mistake’ allowing 3rd party apps. All the while forgetting that there was no official Reddit app for over 10 years of the company existing. Why didn’t he ban 3rd party apps then? Fucking ungrateful.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

He's so insufferable.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Another tech slapfight to monopolize and monetize an entire slice of the data exploitation pie. Deleting Reddit was definitely the right choice for me. And it was the perfect excuse to dust off my two-year old Lemmy account that I'd never posted from!

Adding: can't see past the smug arrogance either

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

one day I hope to count our users among our investors, but getting to breakeven is a priority for us

Yeah well, I'm already an investor on the fediverse, by donating to my instance admins, and the instances I support already break even. It pays back handsome returns on my investment not by extracting value, but by providing a community that respects its users instead of monetizing them. That is the only investment I'm interested in.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I mean, it sure makes sense. If they're getting the server costs and effort to maintain and moderate, happy to drop a few dollaridoos now and again. Less ads to block as well, which is always nice.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Dude wants his golden parachute so badly he treats the interview as his rant box.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Toward the end you can really see how defensive and agitated he is with his handlers chiming in too. He's aware that he's a douchebag, and just doesn't care at all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Wow, his answers and arguments are really bad. Doesn’t acknowledge that AI scrapers abused their system, not apps to access and interact with Reddit. Practically says they will imitate Apollo. Admits that they unreasonable timeline was a way to coerce deals.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Fuck u/spez

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He refers to reddit as a city and keeps mentioning democracy and communities. No city/community/democracy should be owned by one corporation and have it's main goal be profitability.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Spez wishing for some corpo dystopian society.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I mean…. Just read his comments in this article: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich

Dude more thinks of himself as a king. He sees Reddit like a city in the sense Rome was a city, and he’s the Caesar.

He literally says he’s a great leader and “would not be a slave, but a leader” in the post-apocalypse.

He literally sees himself as Immortan Joe or some shit lmao

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

When reddit was showing how well reddit gold paid for server costs, it usually broke even.
That was when there was far less ads too.

The costs surely exploded by adding lots of staff and their own image/picture hosting, but I don't see the benefit in there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

He thinks RIF and Apollo - both of which I have personally used - don't add any value to Reddit? Lmao what a shithead

Also love the gaslighting of "um actually sweaty nobody likes the blackouts and everyone just thinks they're annoying 💅"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

What a painful read… initially I would've been ready to pay to keep using my favorite reddit client – but hearing about the exorbitant pricing, then the deadline, and now about the way they're treating their own community? They couldn't pay me to stay.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good lord, this interview just solidified my decision to never return to Reddit. It seems Spez doesn't want me there anyway, despite how much time and money I've given them.

I also wish the interviewer had brought up Spez lying and mischaracterizing Christian so blatantly. Just pathetic behavior.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

“The blackouts are not representative of the greater Reddit community.”

Of course not. The vast majority of Reddit are lurkers that don't interact with anything and just mindlessly consume. Even bots add more value to a platform, than most lurkers. It's the content creators and people that interact with them through comments, that create value.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't use disabilities as swearwords. They are enough of a burden on a person as it is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Spaz? Really?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That scumbag energy, holy smokes. He's executing reddit right in front of our very eyes. It's just sad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

So he's like: I'll rather sink this entire ship then admit I/we went overboard

Yikes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I have to say, The Verge has had its ups and downs over the years, but I have to give them credit here. This interview is gold.

Spez comes across as such a child. Saying Apollo is their competitor and as such, should be shut down lol.

Also that because the announcement posts on different subreddits didnt have comments enabled, that must man the users are tired of the protests. Comparing it to a city that had protests drag on too long. The thing he misses is that cities that have protests usually want a change before they stop protesting.

All in all, he comes across as such a fucking child. And all his c suite associates seem like yes-men chuds that are just enabling his ego and agreeing with his hissy fit over Apollo. Reddit might get over this if they fire him, walk back the changes and actually implement plans that developers and moderators can get behind. But they won't. Fediverse is the future. Fuck Spez and Fuck Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I don’t, fuck that guy. I know you’re kidding but still, fuck that guy. Aaron is rolling in his grave right now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I think reddit is mostly in the right with these API pricing changes. It makes no sense from a business perspective to allow other apps to freely profit off their services. They only fucked up with the arbitrarily short timeline which Huffman has no reasoning for and the poor communication throughout the whole process. Even Apollo dev said he was fine with them charging if he had had more time to make the transition.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think charging to use the API is fine, but it was definitely overpriced to the point that it was obvious they wanted to nuke TPAs. They need all that sweet user data to sell to others, and they can't get to that with TPAs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean user data can very much be completely inferred from API calls. It's not about the user data itself, it's about being able to say to advertisers "all our users will see your ads".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Even if you think the pricing is fine, the time window the apps get to make changes is way too short. They kept asking when would we have to start paying, and the answer always been in the distance future. Now they have 30 days to get the funding for a huge amount of users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Monetising API access isn't bad, but at a reasonable rate.

The Snoo Platform hiked the rate up to the unaffordable is just insane.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I would agree, if Reddit were a service provided by Reddit for customers. But it’s not. It’s a social network where most of the value of the site is generated by the users contributing content. No users, no value. They have tens of thousands of moderators donating countless hours of free work to the site, too. So if we leave the morality to the side for a moment and just put on our business hats, if Huffman pisses off the community too much, he loses critical mass and a large value proposition for the site. He is betting that no major exodus will occur and he can continue turning the screws.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It at least goes to show, once again, that when building on top of other services, those services can fuck you over at any time, for any reason.

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