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[–] 187 points 2 years ago (40 children)

“Choosing” is doing some heavy lifting here when gen-z ain’t got no money.

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  • [–] 107 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Just like us millennials 'choosing' not to buy houses.

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    [–] 91 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Now hopefully they start voting in their local elections for politicians who will build transit, bike lanes, and support walkability.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    We had a really promising, progressive city councillor run for Mayor who basically tanked their campaign by making investment in cycling infrastructure one of their main platforms.

    So, instead, we got a business-as-usual developper friendly mayor who will continue to do nothing to address public transit issues, or improvr cycling infrastructure besides painting a few lines on busy roads.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    I think the major issue is that most people see bike lanes as removing their choice to drive, rather than adding alternatives to make driving easier. These people pushing for change need to look at the MAYA principal principle, meaning they use the Most Advanced, Yet Acceptable vocabulary to ease in the transition.

    Anyone who wants to platform for biking and making better urbanism needs to instead focus their campaign on being fiscally responsible and tackling traffic concerns. If pressed, they can say that there are lots of data showing that small, cheap changes to the road infrastructure can make a large impact in both traffics and taxes.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago

    Because it's expensive and sucks if you live in a city. Also, most can't afford a house out in the suburbs anyways.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago

    I and my brother did some math about cars.

    We both work and have money for car but just insurance, technical and emissions control... is more expensive than public transport ticket (for one year in our city). And we didn't count in petrol and parking.

    In short for us it just doesn't make economical sense to own one.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    according to McKinsey. "And for those Gen Zers who decide that driving just isn't for them, they can keep themselves busy with TikTok in the passenger seat—or get behind the wheel in the metaverse."

    Be a good consumer and accept our thought control.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I'm 31 and if I could never drive a fucking car again that'd be great 👍

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Ebikes will get you a good chunk of the way there in a lot of places. Other than that, if you live in a city then vote like hell and go to city council meeting as often as possible to demand bike lanes. Local voting actually matters and can change (some) things.

    If you live in the country... Eh... Start sabotaging gas stations I guess? I don't even know where to begin with a constructive answer. Rural folks are basically forced in to cars and there isn't much to do about it without massive changes. In the Netherlands even small towns get train stations, but in the US and Canada and even a lot of Europe rural folks are just screwed.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Exact same here. The amount of money cars cost is fucking ridiculous. I would pay more and wait longer to not have to deal with the bullshit of owning a car, but I can’t even do that because American public transit is worse than Mordor.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    You could say Gen Z "chooses" a lot of things. Gen Z "chooses" not to buy houses (we can't afford them) Gen Z "chooses" to be mentally ill (not even 10 years ago, "autism" was just "the weird kid") Gen Z "chooses" to rent Gen Z "chooses" not to buy food Gen Z "chooses" to let climate change fuck the earth Gen Z "chooses" to not have kids (although here we actually don't want them, but also couldn't afford them) and so on.

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    If you're working from home then ubering everywhere is cheaper than insurance for a new driver and once you put gas plus the cost of the car into the equation I totally understand this.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    I dropped driving 20 years ago. Way too expensive if you don't earn money with it in some fashion. I'm not a home-worker, but I live in a city. Having a car in a city... That just doesn't feel right. They should be used to bring stuff into a city. Cites should provide their own means of getting around. The few times when I actually needed a car, I rented one. Way cheaper than owning a car.

    It's like owning a golf course to play golf once a week. Well. Something like that.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Insurance rates vary greatly with zip code in Canada. I moved just before I was going to buy a car and when I got quoted over $700 CAD per month to insure a Fiat 500 (new driver over 30) I quickly calculated that taking Uber to and from work daily is going to be much cheaper than insurance alone..

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    I'm right there with them. I spent 7-8 years in a larger city and enjoyed not having a car the entire time. No renting a parking spot or fighting over who gets to block in who with the upstairs or downstairs neighbors. No snow shoveling or scrambling to park on one side for street sweeping.

    I'm now temporarily in a place where buses are at an hour interval and only go to 1 place so I took one of the family cars. Despite the car being "free" I'm paying more than an unlimited transit pass on insurance alone, and I have a great rate at the expense of having to let my insurance track my accelerating / braking through GPS/accelerometer (at least for a few weeks before I can uninstall the app and enjoy the lower rate). I've had to pay for an inspections, tags, fixing a tint that was legal at home but illegal where I am now (over $100 even if I just had them remove it), and I'm still needing to spend on extras like oil to top up in between oil changes, new wipers, coolant, and it's looking like it's almost due for tire rotations, brake and transmission flush, and other regular maintenance which is just another expense.

    The car was free and it's so expensive still. I miss being able to hop on a bus and zone out too.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Who wants to pay 9%+ interest on a car .

    My wife purchased a Subaru Legacy Premium new in 2018 with a MSRP of $23,000 and we looked at the exact same model but in 2024 because they added some safety features. The exact trim Premium for 2024 has a MSRP of $31,000k. That's a 39% increase in 6 years. Same motor, looks nearly identical, just has collision detection and a better center console screen. We could have got those in the top trim in 2018 for $5k more.

    We're getting shafted at all industries.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    I mean, I get it. I hate the damned things. I can't deny their utility, but they're just not worth it

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Good on them. I fucking love Zoomers.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The key thing here is cost. Employers don't want to pay, and everything is so damn expensive.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    My dad in a conversation with other parents:

    "When I was their age, a car meant freedom. It meant you could take yourself to a place your friends were and your parents weren't, anytime you wanted. To them, the Internet means freedom, and they don't really see the point."

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You know what true freedom is? Not requiring a car to get to places by having decently designed neighbourhoods where people can walk or cycle. For longer distances good quality transit could be available. No massive investment or lisence needed to travel.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    For real, the amount of freedom I get here without a driver's license in the Netherlands is insane. I walk to the train station and can get anywhere in the country and even to a lot of other places in Europe.

    Then I can just decide on a whim to walk to the grocery store, take a bike ride to visit my parents, go to a movie theater, whatever you can think of.

    If there's one thing I have pride in with my country, it's the infrastructure we have. I find it very hard to imagine moving out of this country because of it.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Nah we're just broke

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    I miss living in a city where I didn't have to drive. Maybe one day I will have that chance again.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Imagine that! I wonder why.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Is that because the costs of cars has vastly exceeded inflation while wages have mostly stagnated until mid 2021? (please note: beating inflation by a bit for 2 years in no way makes up for the prior 40+)

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