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Bending myself into a Pretzel so I can say that there's no genocide (hexbear.net)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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In my ongoing crusade to make myself miserable I once again am looking towards reddit-logo for the newest in how to just be an absolute piece of shit.

One may critique the way Israel is operating this war, and especially questioning and discussing if this is proportional.

Why thank you Holger it's really important to me to talk if Israel is allowed to kill 1000 brown people or 10'000 brown people this is why the moderate center is the moral center of germany.

A "genocide" this however not make, no matter how much this is repeated on tiktok and co.

Go fuck yourself

The hereby arguments of South Africa (You can find the hearings on youtube) were in any case weak. For example reprimanding closing the border to Gaza, without mentioning that they are closed since 7. October, because they were overrun by Hamas, partially destroyed and the people manning it butchered. In general, one has the impression, Hamas wouldn't exist in the eyes of South Africa.

Oh those unwashed barbarian hordes, they overran our defensive walls they butchered the people peacefully defending those walls by shooting the kneecaps.

Like I'm sorry this is your entire thing? Hans over here 'watched it' and all he gets from it, 'But ze afrikaners zey didn't mention the horrible attack of ze border crossings'. Literally laying out all the horrible shit Israeli government officials have said pubically, all the shit Israel did and is doing. 'Ze Afrikaners did not condemn ze Hamas so I have to make an arguements zat it is not a genocide'. Also fuck your passive voice Albert trying to be objective.

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Link because I'm not a lib fuck all

https://old.reddit.com/r/de/comments/195idqa/warum_deutschland_vor_dem_igh_dem_von_s%C3%BCdafrika/

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

A "genocide" this however not make, no matter how much this is repeated on tiktok and co.

Israel: Kills 1000 people

Reddit: "This is not a genocide"

Israel: Kills 10,000 people

Reddit: "This is still not a genocide"

Israel: Kills 1% of the population and displaces another 85%

Reddit: "Stop saying this is a genocide. You're just on TikTok too much. Just saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. This is classic Big Lie propaganda and you are falling for the same tricks that Hitler used to invade Germany."

Russia: Fires a barrage of missiles across the border to Ukraine

Reddit: "Vladimir Putin is history's greatest monster and we must post 10x harder if we are to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For example reprimanding closing the border to Gaza, without mentioning that they are closed since 7. October,

Gaza has been closed off since 2006 iirc

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

One may critique the way Israel is operating this war, and especially questioning and discussing if this is proportional.

The hereby arguments of South Africa (You can find the hearings on youtube) were in any case weak. For example reprimanding closing the border to Gaza, without mentioning that they are closed since 7. October, because they were overrun by Hamas, partially destroyed and the people manning it butchered. In general, one has the impression, Hamas wouldn't exist in the eyes of South Africa.

Did this person even watch the trial or read about South Africa's arguments? If he did, he would have realised that Vaughan Lowe for South Africa addressed all this already during the presentation of South Africa's case against Israel. If they watched it, they have a severe problem with listening or reading comprehension and need to go back to primary school. South Africa's case addresses everything they said.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2024-01-11-in-full-vaughan-lowe-kc/

On Hamas:

First, some will ask why South Africa does not seek any Court order against Hamas. This case concerns Israel’s action in Gaza, which is territory that, three weeks ago in Resolution 2720, the Security Council stressed is “an integral part of the territory occupied in 1967” by Israel. As the Court will understand, Hamas is not a State and cannot be party to the Genocide Convention; and it is not a party to these proceedings. There are other bodies and processes that can address the questions of steps to be taken in respect of past atrocities and against other actors; and they are no doubt doing so. But as a matter of law, under the Convention South Africa cannot request an Order from this Court against Hamas.

Secondly, South Africa understands that not all violence constitutes genocide. Acts of ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, the targeting of civilians, attacks on hospitals, and other war crimes are all unlawful: but they do not always violate the Genocide Convention. Genocide requires an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. But the fact that what Israel is doing in Gaza may also constitute war crimes or crimes against humanity is no defence to a charge of genocide.

On proportionality :

It is not just a question of scale and of indiscriminate killing. It is also a question of intention.

If any military operation, no matter how it is carried out, is carried out pursuant to an intention to destroy a ‘people’, in whole or in part, it violates the Genocide Convention, and it must stop. That is why all military operations capable of violating the Genocide Convention must cease...

The point is not simply that Israel is acting ‘disproportionately’: the point is that the prohibition on genocide is an absolute, peremptory rule of law. Nothing can ever justify genocide. No matter what some individuals within the group of Palestinians in Gaza may have done, and no matter how great the threat to Israeli citizens might be, genocidal attacks on the whole of Gaza and the whole of its population with the intent of destroying them cannot be justified

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Germans can always justify genocide. Germany is a big pile of Scheiße. Ohh what we did to the Juden was so horrific, so we will always help Israels in their desire for an genocidal ethnostate. (for we do not want them back, we did a lot to get them away...)

Ohh what did u say about Herero and Nama? Never heard of them... oh these memorials we still have all around the country for our colonial heros like von Lotha(never did a genocide and if he did, we are sorry, but u can only get reparation over my dead body)

Fick Deutschland, fick die SPD, fick die Grünen und ganz besonders doll: fick die Antideutschen Wappler.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

They didn't, these 'libs' are basically chuds but they feign citing stuff, they feign having looked at the other argument and when you point out that their own citation doesn't back up what they are claiming then they'll just double down. Plenty of libs have done it on lemm.ee and other instances.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I hold the opinions of Germans with the same level of respect and contempt I have for bugs that hit my windshield

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

nerd Um actually South Africa's charges are of "planning" a genocide.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Diskutabel my fucking arse. Israelis being disproportionate removed is and has been common knowledge for decades, even among liberals. Where's your Erinnerungskultur, shit for brains? The brits were making jokes about how israelis were killing people by the hundreds for paper cuts 20 years ago, did you forget that? This fucking conflict, so called war, didn't start on 7 October, dickhead! Even if it had, in what universe, what dimension, does murdering people by the tens of thousands, cutting off basic necessities to survive, levelling entire neighbourhoods not constitute genocide? What will it take for you dumb removed to stop playing dumb and recognise your favourite little pet project, your sorry excuse for an excuse after gassing people by the millions, is committing slaughter on a scale that cannot be called a different word? I'd ask what it would take for you to recognise these people are no different from the nazis you pretend to have evolved past, but considering all the high level nazi party member and collaborstors you praise and honour to this day, I have no such silly expectations.