Now he's threatening terrorism if the rule of law applies to him. This fucker is a danger to society and we need to address it.
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This country will never heal unless he spends time behind bars.
Our very first mistake was not sending Nixon to prison. Set a bad precedent.
Our first mistake was not stomping out the confederacy hard enough.
Our first mistake was not stomping out the confederacy hard enough.
That was a huge mistake. We are still dealing with the consequences of the failure of reconstruction. (Article is a few years old but still very relevant.) archival link
Our very first mistake was not sending Nixon to prison. Set a bad ~~precedent~~ president.
It was right there.
Our very first mistake was not sending Nixon to prison. Set a bad precedent.
I agree with you in principle, however I don't know how we could have accomplished that without preventing Ford from using his pardon, causing a constitutional crisis.
It won't even if he does. Trump isn't the cause, he's a symptom. The US is probably not going to survive as a unified nation for very long, and honestly, it probably shouldn't.
Making the United States a union of sovereign territories instead of a country with a powerful federal government sounds like a familiar idea.
One our national enemies would love.
They wouldn't be national enemies anymore
Yeah, at least a third of the states would immediately cozy up to them
You mean the ones that are also headed towards total societal collapse within the next decade? Yeah, I'm sure they'll totally have plenty of resources to spare for a trans-pacific invasion when they can't grow any crops.
Who said anything about that? This country should be split up entirely. It's already completely unable to function by any reasonable standards, and for decades the harm it's caused its own people and the world at large has been increasingly outweighing any good it does. Empires are always negative forces and should always be dismantled.
How would you split the country? There are heavily blue areas in red states and heavily red areas in blue states.
Or do you just want chaos?
I don't have the solution, I just have the basic sense to see that what this country is is entirely unsustainable.
Your solution ignores that all we really need to do (and I say that like it's easy but I acknowledge it's not) is remove the parts of our system that prevent an accurately representative government. Stuff like the electoral college, the cap on House seats, and the dominance of plurality voting. The root problem we see here is that a minority of people have more power over the government than the majority of people.
Like I said, this is much easier typed out than done, but it is not impossible, and is much more likely to succeed than "make a fascist country and give it a humongous border with the democratic country that it views as 'the enemy'" Even if there were a clean way to split it up (there isn't: cities are blue, rural areas are red), much of the red state's income comes from the federal taxes from blue states. Do you really think that's going to end well?
This country should be split up entirely. It’s already completely unable to function by any reasonable standards, and for decades the harm it’s caused its own people
Weird that you start talking about Russia all of a sudden.
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The person I replied to did:
The US is probably not going to survive as a unified nation for very long, and honestly, it probably shouldn’t.
Nope, I didn't say anything about a "union of sovereign territories." That was just you.
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When you have an illness you still treat the symptoms while you address the cause so the symptoms don't make things worse.
He is a cause and a symptom. Trying, convicting, and imprisoning his would go a long way, but would not stop the problem from growing.
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Splitting the US like that would be absolute chaos and probably result in several civil wars. This would also destroy all federal aid programs and I can guarantee no states are going to step in to fill that void. Dividing the country further than it already is will not solve anything.
No one said balkanization was a good thing. Just that it happens, and is currently happening, being driven by multi-billion dollar media corporations trying to inflame a culture war to keep the lower classes occupied. They were too successful, and the wheels are starting to come off.
We might be able to fix it, but the current trajectory is pretty clear.
This country is going to implode one way or another. We can try to have it happen in a kinda sorta controlled way, or we can do your idea of sticking our fingers in our ears and just let the pressure build until it breaks in the most destructive way possible.
It's going to hurt no matter what. Trying to avoid the pain will only end in worse pain.
This country is going to implode one way or another.
Then it is a good thing America is the most successful country in the entire world, Ivan. So that we don't have to worry about Russia's imminent implosion. I guess that is why Russians are fleeing their country in droves.
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This country will never heal unless he ~~spends time~~ dies behind bars.
FTFY
Naturally, as a trained professional, Jack Smith is making note.
It isn’t the first time.
We saw his whole circus of clowns on January 6th. We're not scared.
@Heresy_generator m/liberalgunowners r/liberalgunowners we need to be prepared for round 2. Heritage Foundation and Trump’s shadow cabinet are already planning for the police state that will follow if Trump gets in and GOP states have been working for years to cut out opposition voting.
The kbin link format is @liberalgunowners
It would be ironic if sufficient liberal gun ownership finally brings Republicans around to supporting gun regulation, like Reagan did when he was governor of CA because the Black Panthers started open carrying.
@DarkGamer That would be ironic, but irony is not the Right’s strong suit. Thank you for help with the format! I think it is crucial that liberals embrace gun rights before the next election/coup attempt. There are more of us than people realize, we just don’t tattoo it on our foreheads or make it the center of our beings. I saw that shit go down before and frankly I’m way too fucking old to tolerate an attack on our country like that again
Nice country you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it.
Always has been.
Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump won't be able to do all that much while fleeing the country in Putin's submarine.
We don't negotiate with terrorists. Even ex-presidents.
His base's 'passion' a greater threat to their own cardiovascular system than the justice system.
Send in the gravy seals and meal team six.
Also the more of these people we can lock up the better.
Aside from adderal, I know what's keeping this jackass awake at night,
I love that Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump is now spending his time being terrified of prison.
Sure Jan
Reminder that Steve Bannon frankly confessed Trump's Start the Steal conspiracy plans to a group of Trump insiders before the election.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/22/1112138665/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript
…audio from Trump advisor, Steve Bannon, surfaced from October 31st, 2020, just a few days before the Presidential election.
Let’s listen. [Begin Videotape]
STEVE BANNON: And what Trump’s going to do is declare victory, right? He’s going to declare victory, but that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner. The Democrats — more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in mail. And so they’re going to have a natural disadvantage and Trump’s going to take advantage — that’s our strategy.
He’s gonna declare himself a winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm. Also — also if Trump is — if Trump is losing by 10 or 11:00 at night, it’s going to be even crazier. Because he’s gonna sit right there and say they stole it. If Biden’s wining, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.
Criminal traitor scrambling before trial and sentencing. Squirm motherfucker, squirm!
Trump knows a supporter of his will do something.
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