Apple

[–] mysoulishome@lemmy.world 71 points 3 years ago (16 children)

Yep. They really doubled down on privacy/security and it’s pretty admirable. The President doesn’t use an android or a blackberry for a reason. (Well, two in the case of blackberry. Security and existing). If only there were no other problematic areas of Apple’s business (manufacturing, wages, environmental impact).

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[–] Areopagus@lemmy.world 31 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Can't wait for them to put their money where their mouth is and do the same in China and other large population countries that demand the same thing 😂

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[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 years ago

They use WeChat anyway.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 64 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

This is one thing Apple has been pretty firm on. You can’t have a secure product and have backdoors. You can try to hide them all you want, but a backdoor will always be a massive security vulnerability.

[+] roadkill@kbin.social 32 points 3 years ago (3 children)

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[–] TheYang@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago

They moved the storage of encryption keys for Chinese users to servers in China instead of shutting down iMessage and Facetime. Quite the different response compared to here.

I was assuming Apple was posturing until they'd actually have to do something.
They could well have postured in China as well, before backtracking. I have no Idea if that happened, but it seems reasonable from a PR vs Legal vs business development standpoint.

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[–] kirklennon@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago*

They moved the storage of encryption keys for Chinese users to servers in China instead of shutting down iMessage and Facetime.

These are totally separate things. Apple users in China can still use iMessage and FaceTime and those are still end-to-end encrypted. If you choose to store your iMessages in iCloud, those can be accessed by the government, but that's the same as they can in every other country. The UK's proposal is to directly break the security of iMessage itself, something worse than what China has done.

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[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

They moved the storage of encryption keys for Chinese users to servers in China

No they didn't. iMessage can only be decrypted by keys stored in the secure enclave on your device.

There are some things that the Chinese government can access. The contents of messages isn't one of them.

And as for Facetime... those calls aren't recorded at all. Not sure how a legal order is supposed to allow access to data that doesn't even exist.

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[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

I agree that's not how it works in most places but I don't assume to know the inner working of a Chinese iphone or the version of iOS it's running. If there is a financial incentive apple will bend for China while also saying it didn't.

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[–] SGG@lemmy.world 22 points 3 years ago

Will, except in China. They opened the backdoor nice and wide for Winnie the Pooh so he could gobble up all the Chinese iCloud data

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[–] jmanes@lemmy.world 43 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Good on them for standing up for what's right on this.

[–] GatoB@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

rare Apple W

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[–] whofearsthenight@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Not really. Apple's track record for this kind of thing is pretty great. See also, the San Bernardino case.

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[–] GatoB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

do you have link?

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[+] BettyWhiteInHD@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

Apple doesn't like be told what to do.

If privacy is in the way of their desires then Apple will invade their user's privacy. They don't stand for privacy.

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[–] cufta22@programming.dev 3 points 3 years ago

Only apple is allowed to spy on it's users

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[–] jmanes@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Seems like you're spewing FUD to me, mostly. I agree Apple is far from perfect, but they literally introduced an e2e methodology for much of iCloud data recently.

Besides, even if they are only doing this out of selfish desire, it's still a good thing for the consumers in this case.

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

I believe proprietary software gives unjust power over users and so Apple making a good change (even if it were sincere benevolence) is still in that content.

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[–] Sephtis-6@kbin.social 34 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Good, why should they comprise security. It makes it easier for everyone to hack, not just the government

[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

It could already be completely hackable and no one would know because the security in this case is solely based on apples word with zero auditing. If there were a true financial incentive there is no doubt they would compromise "security".

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[–] CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 years ago

21st century govenrments: Hey guys, why don't we ban math?

Yeah good luck with that. Gotta give it to Apple on this one, though I'm not a huge fan of their business practices otherwise.

[–] Pixlbabble@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Can we get iMessage on Android in the States tho?

[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 years ago (6 children)

We have iMessage at home (it's Signal and nobody else uses it)

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[–] Nima@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

they removed the ability to send sms in the app. so I, like many others, moved on to other apps that could handle such a task.

signal isn't capable of anything other than talking to other signal users. so it's a dead app.

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[+] GerryMandering@lemm.ee 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

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[–] Nima@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

unfortunately I am friends with all sorts. those who have signal and those who do not. I have no need to have separate texting programs for my phone when I can just use another app that does everything.

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[+] reddig33@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

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