* which is extremely unlikely.

Like, I don't think China's forces of production can be divorced from its socialist system. In this scenario, I can't see a Capitalist Chinese vassal producing as many cheap quality goods as China does today.

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[–] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If China were to fall (isn't gonna happen) and not very soon after becoming a heavily exploited vassal nation break out into a new revolution (would actually happen almost immediately because of the 100 million member communist party and PLA) the US would essentially be at the complete mercy of every climate and oil crisis that may occur. Massive ecological collapse, immigration crises like we've never seen, economic and technological stagnation, and running completely out of fossil fuels in the next several decades. It would be a much more brutal future as the global south would be violently crushed under the heel of the empire once things start going, well, south. In the current timeline, though, it seems like that is only going to become less and less likely as massive portions of the global south are beginning to wean off of the West with the help of China (Belt and Road).

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Yeah, I am also hopeful for our future due to China and other AES countries.

    I asked this question mainly because the West didn't manage to last very long after the fall and looting of the USSR, and it has managed to stay afloat mainly because of China, which produced cheap goods, bailed out the US in the 2008 crisis etc.

    Capitalism was unable keep an unipolar world going for 40 years after its greatest enemy was gone.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    What makes china more sovereign than the eastern bloc countries in that you say it could organise a counter-counter-revolution where they have not

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    This may have been some form of error on my part during the reading of the question. For whatever reason, my mind took the phrase 'coup' as something much more public or, I supposed militarized than what happened to the USSR. Perhaps that is an incorrect way of looking at it. Call it a recent subconscious bias over what happened to Venezuela putting that interpretation at the forefront of my mind. China would undoubtedly repel Maduro-esque coup, and if the US were somehow successful in capturing Xi, it would have hell to pay in the sanctions it would recieve within the hour alone.

    I also suppose that you could make an argument that because China has not gone through a period where the party line gave way to revisionism, the remaining party members would have more political capital to organize loyal factions of the PLA and the massive CPC membership to stage a counter-coup. This almost did happen in the USSR with the 1991 coup attempt at removing Gorbachev from office from more principled party members. I imagine that, were a sudden coup to just simply happen and some stooges were put in power in China, a similar chain of events would occur with a much more effective resistance measure due to the more principled party line at the moment. Take that interpretation with a grain of salt, as I am still brushing up on my Soviet history.

    However, were the phrase 'coup' to mean something like what happened in the USSR—Yeltsin illegally dissolving the USSR after many decades of revisionism already rotting the party internally, and economic hardships on the people—this could cause a different series of events to happen in China. Even in the USSR though, there was an attempt at overthrowing the revisionist government. In China it would be a matter of questioning whether the revisionists would win in the military conflict or not.

    Again, don't take my word on the conjecture of the latter parts too heavily comrade, I may be mistaken, as I am still learning myself. :)

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