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Recommend them The Red Pen or Dessalines instead. Western Marxism is better not receiving any traction at all. Fucking dogmatist Piece of shit!

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[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 3 weeks ago

Jup,pretty much. S4A lost the plot a while ago.

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Their ultra-leftism towards China is an unfortunate thing that I have noticed, and it is always annoying to see (I know that Maoism is not a purely western phenomenon and was in fact "synthesized" by Gonzalo and the Peruvian Maoists, but I swear, western Maoists just feel like armchairists).

Edit: Why did this get so many upvotes? I am a bit surprised haha.

[-] Mihr@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 weeks ago

I find it kind of ironic I used him as an audiobook narrator for Left Wing Communism yet dude is an ultra lmao.

[-] pucker4676@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

Dessalines repo was a real eye opener. Can anyone link me to The Red Pen?

[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I wonder how long it will take for folks in the US to feel the limits of PSL too.

[-] starkillerfish@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What are the limits of PSL?

[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

One could ask if bourgoisie electoralism were to become sophisticated enough to allow for pressure valve for discontent (let’s say including against the genocides and the jingoisim against Russia, China, Iran and Venuzeula) for even budding marxists what would that look like and how does the PSL differentiate themselves from that?

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11468794/8142738

The facetious response? The angry parade party. As others have said when you repeatedly issue demands and they do not comply to your demands, and then nothing happens, then your teaching everyone your organisation can be safely ignored. Even some radlibs understand this. The PSL has the audacity to not only do this but also call themselves MLs. Like what is the strategy for leverage here beyond electoralism because like a very basic tenet of understanding the political economy is you cannot play by the rules of the class you are hoping to overthrow and then win?

I have other glaring issues with them but the problem is the average westerner, despite any hardship and whatever leftist aesthetic they don, absolutely refuse to learn from those who won. Like right now could one point to a serious PSL strategy where they outline the pitfalls of bourgoisie electoralism, how they going to overcome this, and what scientific analysis they have done so they can focus on populations with the most revolutionary potential? I could keep going and on but I am just going to leave it there. This ain't about some nonsense about purity. I am saying the leadership is a bunch of pseudoscientifc clowns.

All the original BLM leaders were killed off with the quickness but the PSL still stands because they are not a threat, but useful idiots where the state can go "look at these feckless commies". That's the most charitable explanation that they're liberal career oppurtunities. But when you have folks trained from the George Washington University with openly genocidal polices on platforms they promote then this is way more than just ignorance at play here.

People cry wrecker because they haven't been to a third world country where organisations with way less privilege and wealth, in way harsher environments, have done way more, ML or not.

(Rant not directed at you. Please feel to swap any "you's" to a less affrontive pronoun)

[-] starkillerfish@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago

All the original BLM leaders were killed off with the quickness but the PSL still stands because they are not a threat,

i dont necessarily disagree with your arguments, but i feel like you are putting impossible standards on PSL. by your logic, any communist org that exists in the US is useless because it exists. so the only good org is one that doesnt exist. a bit unreasonable, no?

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[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

What's your opinion on the push from them and their network of orgs pushing for general strikes?

[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What are their demands? Do you need an ML organisation for a general strike? How does this self-purported ML organisation differentiate itself from a socdem call for a general strike? The likes of DSA/Bernie/Justice Democrats are all pro general strikes.

[-] v_pp@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

no investigation, no right to speak. all your "criticisms" are vagueposting and rhetorical questions.

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[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

OK.. So you don't have an opinion or what? If you did some investigation you would know that the strike movement would have fizzled out in Michigan because local liberal leaders didn't want to do it and the PSL pushed for it anyway. The liberals you're talking about are tailing behind them.

How closely do you really follow these developments?

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[-] opiumfree@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

baby marxists should focus on actual theorists such as Lemon and Meow

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

I am personally a big fan of Marxism-Lemonism-Meowism..

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

While I know that this person is some ultra, what other channels would you recommend (besides the Red Pen and Dessalines)?

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

For analysis or everything?

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Revolutionary Th0t

Prolekult

Bes. D Marx

International Solidarity Podcast

Lady Izdihar

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks for the recommendations!

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago

There's also Gabriel Rockhill but he doesn't have his own channel.

[-] I_Voxgaard@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

I thought this guy was a hoxhaist? wouldn't he stan Stalin's ussr at least?

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago

That's the neat part. USSR doesn't exist anymore, so he's okay with that.

[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Apparently Deng bad, US Green party good enough

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Still can't believe that mf wanted to turn the Green Party into his Vanguard by taking over it! 😭 MAGA ass behaviour!

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