There is a particular indignity that comes from living in America, derived from the experience of waking up in the morning to see reports that Donald Trump has said something profoundly evil, and then needing to type "truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump" into your web browser to see if he actually said that. Once there, you can see a post in which Trump did indeed threaten to wipe out the entire civilization of Iran, stacked on top of an ad for a sketchy herbal supplement of some sort:

A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!

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[–] 95 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Looking at you, Secret Service. If anyone can stop a nuclear war, it's you. We're all counting on you.

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  • [–] 86 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    This isn't something we will be able to act on retroactively. What I mean is that if nobody in our government or military stops Trump from going nuclear in Iran there is no going back. If he isn't stopped until after it happens, nobody in the entire world will trust Americans ever again and we will all be hated (even more than we already are). This is the single biggest avoidable threat to national security that has ever existed. It's already the case that nobody outside the US cares if you are one of the "good ones" or not. If this fuck-face does what we all think he wants to do, the US and its citizens will be internationally considered a threat to everyone elses national security and will be cut off from the rest of the world indefinitely.

    Nobody will give a shit who you voted for or which protests you went to or not, everyone will hate us and rightfully so. If Trump goes nuclear in Iran it'll be the end of the American Empire basically overnight.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago

    USA already irreversibly lost the world's trust.

    The EU is actively working on replacements for American IT and payment systems.
    France has offered to provide nuclear deterrent for the EU in place of the Americans. They've also made a deal with Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz for French shipping behind America's back and denied their airspace to US planes, along with Italy, Spain and Austria.
    Germany has taken on massive debt to rebuild their army.
    The Gulf states' economies are wrecked by this war and have realized that America can't protect them. The logical step would be for them to take on a much more neutral stance in the future.
    Australia and all of Africa are now dealing more with China than anyone else.

    Those are all long-term investments. They won't change back if the next president happens to be a Democrat again.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    Here. I'll simplify it for you:

    nobody in the entire world will trust Americans ever again

    That's it. There's nothing that the US can do to change that anymore. Trust has already been broken. It will take decades to build it back, if that's even possible.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    Bro there won't be a world left to worry about. You trust everyone that has nukes to not mistake it for an attack on them and trigger mad?

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Eh. That's really not a realistic fear here. The US already has nuclear weapons assets within striking distance of Iran. Sure, ICBMS launched from North Dakota would have to fly over Russia and risk triggering a false retaliation. That's why the US simply wouldn't use those launchers. Nukes launched against Iran would be launched from submarines in the Indian Ocean or Mediterranean or be delivered via cruise missiles and other stand-off munitions. They wouldn't fly over any nuclear armed state, except maybe Israel. And Israel isn't particularly worried about being nuked by the US.

    And no, this wouldn't trigger a retaliatory attack from the other nuclear powers. The launches would not be falsely read as nuclear strikes. The best example of this? Consider the Tomahawk missiles. The US has already launched hundreds of these things against Iran, and it didn't cause Russia or China to press the button. And the Tomahawks can carry both conventional or nuclear warheads. They could destroy all of Iran's cities using nuclear-tipped Tomahawks, and the launches would look no different than the hundreds of launches the US has already used against Iran.

    This is still a horrible idea, and horrible doesn't even begin to describe it. We're talking about an act of mass murder that exceeds the Holocaust. That's reason enough to consider the idea completely unthinkable. But it should be opposed for the sake of the Iranian people, not out of some unrealistic fear that it would trigger a global thermonuclear war.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Yep this right here, if he nukes Iran we're all dead, even if the other nuclear states somehow don't retaliate, which they wouldn't but for the sake of argument, that would still completely destroy society. That would make an absurd amount of oil and natural gas unusable cutting the global supply by a margin that would be unsustainable.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    One real danger is that this would legitimize the use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states. Nukes haven't been used since WW2. And the small nukes used then really weren't of much greater scale than the firebombing runs already done en masse in that horrible war. But this would be different. A precedent would be set that a nuclear power, if faced in a drawn out quagmire against a non-nuclear power, could use a nuke to end the conflict. The US nukes Tehran to cut the heart out of Iranian resistance. Russia nukes Kyiv to break the back of Ukraine. China nukes Taipei as the opening move to invading the island.

    The US nuking Japan never really established the precedent that such an act is OK. Everyone has just accepted that WW2 was a unique situation, and that using nukes at the end of the worst conflict in human history, one that saw the Holocaust, isn't really out of scale for that conflict. Plus the nukes then were relatively small. But if you lob a hydrogen bomb ten or a hundred times the weapon used to destroy Hiroshima? At a time when your nation is absolutely not in a epochal fight for its survival? That's a completely different situation, a solution to a quagmire of the type that the major nuclear powers have frequently encountered.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Too true. The risk of using nuclear weapons at this point isn't triggering M.A.D., but setting a precedent of permissiveness to use them in a war of aggression rather than ad a last-ditch tool for survival, in which case you can kiss Ukraine goodbye the moment we bomb Iran, and if Taiwan doesn't capitulate to China, they will also be a target of preemptive nuclear strikes.

    This is the nightmare world that Trump wants.

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    He is actually threatening genocide. Didn't we hang people in Nuremburg for that?

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

    Anyone else remember when Putin threatened to nuke Ukraine or anyone that helped them?

    This is just trump imitating his bestie, engaging in saber rattling to cow his enemies. It’s not going to work like he thinks it will

    Edit: Apparently it did work

    What a shame

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Except unlike Putin, Trump is certifiably insane.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The only way to know for sure is if a large bet is placed on Polymarket for "nuke dropped on Iran".

    Seriously that's what the world has come to. We only know what's going to happen if evidence of insider trading is found. Unbelievable.

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    Unfortunately that just puts JD Couchfucker in the seat with Mike NoFap Johnson in the passenger seat.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    OK and? He's demented also but not "on deaths doorstep with nothing to lose because he's so old" demented. He's got more to live for and hopefully has the sense not to trigger mutuality assured destruction.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I don't think JD Vance is demented at all.

    I think he's fairly well spoken, intelligent and in bed with every billionaire out there so if the base backs him he could be more dangerous than Trump.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    I'm pretty confident that even the suicidally greedy billionaire class recognizes the fact that nuking a foreign country is bad for business. However, I've underestimated their insanity before so maybe I'm wrong

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Johnson doesn't immediately become Vice-President. That's not how the succession works. But you're right, Captain Couchfucker is just as insane and stupid as Colonel Orangeballs.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    The Entire Republican Party. and their donors are problems. And likely need to be culled as well. Trump is just a figurehead, and intentional target. This shit doesn't end with his death, or JD's for that matter.

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It seems clear the Americans will rather cling on to the life they claim to hate and the jobs they despise until they are slowly enslaved and killed, rather than risk anything to undo the massive mistake they caused by reelecting a convicted felon, child rapist and overall buffoon as president

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You’re asking them to admit they were wrong?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I want them to wake up before their demented dictator wannabe literally takes the world to WWIII

    ps: by "wake up" I mean "act"… at the very least a general strike ta this point

    pps: I've read excuses for months, yet Muricans won't even quit nazi xitter or facebook as a sign they are not totally docile sheeple

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    Now's your chance to be the American Jamie Lanister!

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And the republicans will stand there tied to the execution post going "This is still better than Biden!"

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    happy TACO Tuesday everyone!

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago*

    Congress could do its fucking job and issue a war powers resolution but republican politicians see him as a piggy bank so that won't ever happen.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Stop acting as if this is because of one person. There is a whole lot more wrong with the USA than just Trump.

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Just a little light market manipulation via terrorist threats to enrich the President of the US and his cabal of Bond villain kid-diddlers.

    I swear if I were the next guy elected US President, I'd use RICO and asset seizure take every last dime the Trumps and their friends stole and give it all to the people.

    And then we kick his traitor ass out of the country.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    There are also the Ferengi amongst us making huge ducats off blood on the streets.

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    [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I can hear him salivating at the thought.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    he WOULD do it, to get people to stop investigating the epstein files.

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