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The new iOS/iPadOS 17, WatchOS 10 and MacOS Sonoma public betas are out.

Are you going to try them? This is the first time i’m eager to try the beta, as there are so many nice small things I would like to try, but I’m not sure if this is stable enough to try it?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just can’t deal with betas anymore. I’m glad others take the plunge and report issues though.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly! I’m at a stage in my life where I just want my stuff to work. A decade ago, I would be installing betas the moment they were available . But that version of me is gone.

Also there has been nothing particularly blood pumping about OS update for good few years now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I jumped on the iPadOS one because of Stage Manager. I use SM all the time during the day with an external KB and trackpad, so I really wanted to see those updates.

So far (and I’m sure there will be some bugs), I’m pretty happy with it. You can move the app windows where you want now! What a concept! The only time the OS moves them is if you place two of them of the same size right on top of each other. This is just to make sure you always have a way to tap on the window. But most of the time it just lets you do what you want.

And beyond that first “gotcha,” you can layer windows on top of each other without the OS aggressively moving everything around. What a concept!

I haven’t tried any of the other new features yet, but I’m pretty happy with SM so far.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For moving the app windows anywhere you want… is that available on the iPhone too?

That is what has prevented me from purchasing a larger iPhone, because I can’t physically reach the apps on the upper parts of the screen. If I can place the apps on the bottom part of the screen, then I’ll get a larger phone for sure.

I’ve been wanting a pro for the new camera for a while, but have been holding onto my iPhone 7. If they turn this into a real thing (and not just beta), I’ll switch.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. I’m afraid Stage Manager is not available for iOS

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Darn, thank you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am using an external monitor connected to my m1 iPad Pro but i ran in to following issues which might be resolved with the new update.

Maybe you could tell me:

  • is it possible to share a connected external screen e.g. in MS Teams or is it still limited to the iPad screen only?
  • is it possible to play audio on the iPad and not via the external monitor?

Many thanks in advance!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  • I don’t use Teams, so I’m not sure about this one. My guess would be no.
  • And currently, you cannot target the audio output in that way, no. At least not that I’ve found. This is something I’d like to see, too. I also have a M1 ipad and use it on an external monitor during the day a lot. My dock has a headphone jack (courage!) I use with my PC speakers, and I have to unplug and re-plug them in every time because the dock thinks I want to use the monitor speakers via HDMI.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ugh, ok but thanks for your insights.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Not this time. Before going abroad, it’s too dangerous, I need to rely on a good mobile system.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I got an iPhone 14 pro today, haven’t been on iOS since I had an iPhone X. Feels amazing compared to Calyx on my Pixel but I’d rather not use a beta and make the experience even harder to get used to. Might put my iPad on 17 though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Nah I’ll wait

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For those on the fence, it’s quite stable. Miles better than iOS 16 around this time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I would say the opposite. Messages has a keyboard bug and the search features top hits doesn’t pull up the app you want unless you type and retype the name at least twice. That’s going to be a daily annoyance until those are fixed at least.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

But, there is also a lot less new stuff this time around. Less stuff to break.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Been waiting for the iOS and watchOS PBs. I'm updating both now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

let me know how the watch one is. maybe I will give it a try too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

So far, so good. The UI changes will take a bit of getting used to. I haven't learned a quick way to change faces, assuming there is one.

The new Snoopy face is outstanding.

Love the Standby mode in iOS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've been using the developer beta of WatchOS 10 and it's been fine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The watch one is the only one I’m iffy on and will probably wait for beta 2. If they let you downgrade without sending it in I would be all over it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I can speak for the beta for iOS. I’m currently using it for my daily driver and I must say that it’s stable enough. There are a few hiccups on keyboard, and the battery life is subpar as of the moment as I just installed the public beta.

But all in all, one of the most stable iOS beta release ever.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have updated ipad OS which hasn't had any issues so far, watch OS and IOS I am undecided on currently

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I am mostly looking forward to the watch changes. but with beta on the watch there is no going back. So I will most likely pass on that one till the very end.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Last time I downloaded the beta it broke my transit card app which made commuting a PITA. As much as I want FaceTime on the TV, I’ll just have to wait.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm on the same boat, not sure if stable enough for day to day use.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I use iOS 17DB3 as a daily driver. I don’t know how different the public beta build is to the developer build but I can report, apart from some widgets not displaying data, it has been very reliable so far.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Public Beta that came out today is the same build as Dev Beta 3.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then there is nothing to fear.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Some folks (me included) are having an intermittent keyboard glitch where it disappears in apps. iMessage for me. Hoping the next build fixed it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It’s got several severe usability bugs like the keyboard not popping up correctly and the search too hits not putting up apps your type the name of. It’s certainly usable but those will get old quick.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Guided access is broken for me as well. I have to hard reset the phone to exit lol.

It's not enough of an annoyance to downgrade or not use it though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks, that's good to hear!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah, all my devices are my primary ones, so hesitating a bit. but Im going for the iPadOS public beta, as I use iPad the least. So, fingers crossed its stable enough for reading :D

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Good luck mate!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it’s got a bunch of new improvements overall - i’m enjoying

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

@desmosthenes @prwnr these betas have been pretty solid for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

iOS 17 seems great for me so far. Haven't tried iPadOS yet, but I will soon. Sonoma is good so far as well, aside from a couple small issues that are essentially just nitpicks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Been running developer beta with almost no issues. Sometimes StandBy behaves weird and I have to toggle it on and off that’s pretty much it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

So far so good, in it since DB1 on my daily driver. The biggest annoyance has been some keyboard glitches (kb showing up when it shouldn’t, or vice versa).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Been running it on my iPad since dev beta 1. No problems. Not putting it on my only iPhone or my watch though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I normally do it every year and I always get iCloud errors and bugs. I have lived with them but I am thinking maybe I skip the beta this year

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It’s pretty buggy but definitely usable. Some features don’t really work yet, like the new contact posters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just downloaded it on my iPhone 12. Looks fine so far 🤞🏼🤞🏼

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

anybody experienced better results with autocorrect with the beta?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

well, they did announce that the autocorrect and predictions are getting an improvement. so yeah, Im feeling like its better. and what's more! I see my mother language with predictions, what wasn't announced anywhere, but I am glad we finally got it!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Other than one annoying bug with messages covering the keyboard it’s been fine. Oh and that nightstand mode crashes instantly for me.

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