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'Top secret' Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center (www.nbcnews.com)
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[–] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

As an Arabic speaker, I can't find the part where it says "kill as many people as possible". Also the watermark (that's a guy's name) is interesting to say the least.

Edit: Apparently it's there nvm. Anyway while I could buy this being a Hamas document there definitely needs to be confirmation, especially with that silly-ass watermark.

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    • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Nasty bastards.

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Dubious. "We found these plans on their bodies."

    Maybe, maybe not.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    Clearly a very controversial comment I'm replying to here but I say it has the right idea. Whenever you see a claim consider the source of the claim before you import it and its implications wholesale into your world-view. If only people practiced this attitude more.

    You should see why this is important no matter if you lean pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian. On a subreddit that I won't name, a highly-upvoted response to one of the atrocious images that emerged of the attack aftermath went: "that image is fake, there was a twitter community response to it saying so". A twitter community response! That's settled then! If your credulity for believing things is a function of how much you want to believe those things, you will only become stupider with time.

    I know enough to condemn Hamas purely based on facts that are not in dispute. All those festival-goers are not somehow secretly active IDF combatants. They are not somehow magically alive. Israel did not fabricate the dead babies.

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    • [+] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Well the key thing here is Hamas wouldn't be able to orchestrate this by themselves.

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    • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Disinformation ?

    They printed that and show off to the rest of the world ?

    Who to trust today ?

    We plebs are to easily manipulated

    Btw since israel creation they continued to kill peiples ans take theirs territory.

    No brainer that part

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    “Media confirms it!”

    sky

    India today

    You forgot the New York Post

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    Sky news has literally given Hamas representatives a platform to pretend none of this ever happened. They say that while their agents take video of themselves torturing and killing little old ladies, on the old ladies' phones, and upload the video to their facebook account for all their friends and family to see.

    Why respectable journalists would give them a platform is beyond me.

    So if you're saying they can't be trusted on Israel—I agree, but not in the way you're suggesting.

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    • [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    That's some Putin shit right there.

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    [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Wow, Hamas is following doctrine as if they'd been trained by Navy SEALs. Did someone give them the Marine Recon playbook? They followed it EXACTLY.

    Step : Don't memorize anything. Carry all relevant top secret documents with you.

    Step 2: Make sure you don't die!! You're going into enemy territory with top secret documents!

    Step 3: Make it back alive and with your documents so we can review and debrief. Those are the only copies!

    Good thing this is in no way propaganda to justify genocide, just like those 40 babies being beheaded that no one has seen proof of. Slava Israeli!

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Somebody who thinks criminals are smart

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ah you got me there. They had the capability to plan and execute a military operation with many moving parts without being smart. Monekys with typewriters, broken clocks twice a day and all that. Probably why they died on their operation, too. Saw people with guns and started shooting, not realizing they were on the same side. Good point, upvote for you.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You don't need brains to pull a trigger...You only need a finger. Others plan.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So the people with brains just gave them the documents, and sent them to battle? Are you sure those brains aren't flawed?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Another great point. Let's plan and draft up these top secret documents, and not train the soldier to the specifics of the operation, because we can just give him the documents to take with him. That way, while they're driving their jeeps and motorbikes and shooting rifles, they can take time in enemy territory to review the plan on the fly. Hopefully that idiot can read, though!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Part of it is likely that if they trained the soldiers in the plan beforehand, they risked leaks,

    Now, we know there were leaks, and warnings to Netanyahu that he ignored, but Hamas likely didn't know that he would straight up ignore the threat.

    There's also the issue of compartmentalization. Hamas operates in cells, because that makes them harder to kill in air strikes. They're spread out, partially disorganized, and try to keep communication between them to paper or in person. All to keep Israel from spying on them.

    It's not a stretch to think that the foot soldiers were handed these papers half an hour before they were set to go. It's a sloppy way to run an op, but the op was mass murder and kidnapping, so I'm okay with them being less efficient than they could have been.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I don't think it overcomes reasonable doubt in this situation, especially given the widespread propaganda surrounding the narrative that hamas is killing children with no supporting evidence. My opinion is that critical thinking affords the benefit of the doubt to this not being accurate in this case.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They weren't all planners. You realize that some of them did the planning, right? And that some of them are not incredibly smart and can't commit multiple maps to memory and maybe want to bring one with themselves just in case?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I'm not convinced. It is more likely that Israel is trying to invent more justification for genocide. Throw all the italics around that you want, it doesn't overcome reasonable doubt.

    The document is too prestine. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a soldier to carry that where it could be taken by an enemy. Somehow they're smart enough to carry out these coordinated attacks, but are too dumb to memorize their role for the supposedly top secret operation.

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