submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by to c/apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world
 

Maybe I'm just out of touch, but I don't understand who this is for, and I think it's going to flop.

First of all...who is asking for thinner phones?

Secondly, the price. This is not an Air SE. This thing is only $100 less than a full-fat iPhone Pro, and $200 more than iPhone base (which is a particularly good value this year).

And what do you get for that price?

  • 2 fewer lenses than the pro, and 1 fewer than the base
  • Titanium frame, I guess?
  • Less powerful processor than the base
  • Inherently more fragile frame
  • Less battery life than even the base model (this was often cited as the shortcoming of the iphone Mini)
  • Slower charging speed than both models
  • no cinematic video mode

Are people really clamoring for thinner phones so badly that they'll spend more money for less features?

https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-17-pro%2Ciphone-air%2Ciphone-17

Edit: 1 week later and the Air underperforms the base model as well (as expected)

Also someone pointed out below that the 16e is only 2 grams heavier and is $400 cheaper.

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[–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but me. I think my current phone still has a gen or two in it, but I’ll probably go this route for my next upgrade. I don’t need all the features even my current phone has, and I’m a sucker for a sleek device.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Battery life is real concern tho. I suggest you wait for reviews

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Waiting for reviews obviously makes sense for a lot of reasons, but leaked battery specs suggest battery capacity larger than the 13 Pro. Add efficiency improvements to that and it should be more than fine for most people.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I mean, that's fair. You're entitled to that preference. I'd just be shocked to learn that it's shared by a large number of people. But it wouldn't be the first time people shocked me either. I still can't believe so many people want to carry around what are essentially tablets that barely fit in their pockets, or will spend $2k+ for fragile-ass folding phones with plastic displays that won't last more than a couple of years.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    As the owner of a 13 mini, I would point out that not all of us want big heavy phones, and I am happy they offer a lighter option. If Apple decides to offer iPhone-sized phones again, I hope they go with a smaller version of the Air.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I completely understand the desire for a smaller phone, but this is not really smaller, it's even bigger than the base, and just ever-so-slightly-thinner. And not even all of it, look at the side profile, the area around the camera is not much thinner than the standard devices.

    And in my experience, while I also value lighter phones, most people seem to perceive them as "cheap".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, well, I don’t put much stock into people’s perceptions. People are already pre-complaining about the battery life of the iPhone Air, which is hilarious to me as a mini owner who charges primarily before and after bed, not overnight. They’re mocking the crossbody strap as if they’ve never seen anyone carry their phone on a crossbody strap. I mean, it’s not for me (although I do carry my phone in what is technically a crossbody strap), but it looks handy, and it seems like it’d be better with a lighter phone.

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    At first I thought it was a return of iPhone mini, but with a more marketable name. That would make sense, as there’s a gap in the market for smaller phones - even on the Android side. People who got the older mini models are probably also starting to look for an update now.

    Nah, it’s just a thinner phone. Hard pass.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Air does not have a less powerful processor compared to the base.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's the same processor as the Pro but it doesn't have the vapor chamber or aluminum chassis, and it has less thermal mass, which will inevitably cause thermal throttling and decreased performance.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    And technically one fewer GPU core than the Pro phones. But you said compared to the base; while you’re right that the Air won’t match the Pro (owing in part to thermals), it’s not going to underperform the base 17.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    To answer directly, people that value a thin, light phone over the other things.

    You mentioned a few things like cameras and cinematic that I will never need.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I think it’s probably mostly a showcase of their tech. Like, “look how thin we can make a phone!”

    Other than that, maybe a fashion accessory.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    They had to take all that stuff out so that they have features to trickle back in over the next few years.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    As some others have said, the main interest for some people is the lighter weight with a "plus" sized display, not the thickness or the other features they won't use.

    The Samsung Galaxy S25 edge is slightly better example of that concept. The screen of a S25+ with the weight of the S25.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Chinese case makers and screen repair shops are asking for thinner phones.

    These companies need to go retro.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s for two types of peoples

    Those who want a thinner phone Those who want an Apple product with air in it’s name

    This is just an innovation circle jerk imo, wait for the iPhone air pro 2 7g red edition (in midnight blue)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I am in the intersection of that Venn diagram.

    My MacBook Air was a thing of beauty and so portable. I want that in a phone.

    I also love the titanium of my 15 pro and don’t want to go back to Aluminium.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    It’s for the people who usually buy the Pro but don’t actually use any of the Pro features and just like having the expensive iPhone because it’s a status symbol. It will do well. I myself would buy it were it not because I have an iPad Pro and would rather prefer a smaller phone.

    Edit: I know status symbol in this context is used as a derogatory term usually but I mean it in a descriptive term. Same reason many buy a Rolex vs a Casio which is just as durable and tell the time fine. If you have the cash and don’t mind the compromises, go wild it’s a gorgeous device .

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    You know the SIM card slot was removed in favor of more battery? Someone in some YouTube comment section literally said "there's less air in the Air".

    Jokes aside, the iPhone Air is for people who miss the 2016-2020 MacBooks for some reason. They were so thin that they actually sucked.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Thinner phone allows for more room for magsafe addons.

    • Want more battery life? Magsafe battery
    • Want a wallet? Magsafe wallet
    • Want a kickstand? Magsafe kickstand

    Thinner phone keeps everything pocketable while keeping utility.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I see many people buying that for how it looks, and I know many people who hate multi lens

    I know many who don’t even take a lot photos

    And I know many people who don’t want to go back to aluminium

    I know many people who have the pro because non-pro feels cheap for them

    I know many people who think pro is too heavy

    And I even know people who want thinners phones, especially women, because it still fits better in the pocket and is less visible from outside

    🤗those people are just not in communities like these, they buy and it shall work, no see no need to talk about it in forums

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Some people complain about phones being too big, admittedly with different specifics: weight in the hand, how it sits in a pocket, etc. Apple tried with the Mini, but it didn’t sell well. One hypothesis for the lower-than-hoped-for sales is that not everyone who complains about the size of modern phones bought one because they didn’t want to give up the big screen. So now Apple wants to sell people a smaller phone with just as big a screen. Throw in the opportunity to start recouping engineering investments made in preparation for foldable devices, and I think the Air is a logical next try after the Mini and the Plus.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It’s for people that think the base iPhone is not performant enough, but don’t care about cameras on the pros. I briefly considered the Air, but was turned away by the less powerful processor vs the pro. For me, the camera is the least important feature on a phone, and if this had the same processing capabilities over the pro, I’d get the air solely because it’s cheaper than the pro. The air is literally a way for Apple to move people up the pricing ladder past the base models (especially now that the plus phones are gone).

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    the base iPhone is not performant enough

    I'd bet when you benchmark them, the Air will run into thermal limitations such that it's insignificant. I feel like if people cared at all about performance they would just spend the extra $100 for the Pro (among the other features).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s a test bed for the folding phone. That’s who it’s for.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I’m really afraid to say it, but I’m really dreading the folding iPhone because I bet they gatekeep the highest performance chip in that model and have the air/pros be the new base model. I have just so little desire for a folding phone, especially since it’s going to be smaller than the Samsung and Chinese folds.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I have mixed feelings about the impending foldable. I totally suspect you’re right about the gatekeeping. I like the concept but I do not want a crease line down the middle of my phone 10min after I buy it.

    I ultimately think the final version of the iPhone will be no screen at all, just piped into a very lightweight and small form factor of some sort of AR glasses, like the Vision Pro but way less obnoxious.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    It’s a test in production for the folding phone.

    Two of those next to each other. The camera can be bigger, the battery is in two parts.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It’s for our moms

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It’s the Plymouth Prowler of phones.

    Not the best performance or the most practical, but the bet is that a group of people will gravitate to the design. Also, it will look good in a store window and the learnings from it can inspire other more popular future products.

    And remember, the MacBook Air and iMac launched this way originally. The first versions were not super practical when compared to their sibling products. Eventually, as technology progressed, the form factor became easier to fill with practical hardware.

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