Defederation Policy (lemmy.fmhy.ml)
submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by [M] to c/freemediaheckyeah@lemmy.fmhy.ml
 

What is Defederation?

Defederation means we have disconnected our instance from another, and users from our instance will no longer be able to see anything (communities, posts or comments) coming from it, and their users won't be able to see anything coming from ours.


What will get an Instance Defederated?

Our goal is to avoid defederation, but we will do so under the following circumstances:

  • The instance spreads overwhelming amounts of drama, hate or negativity.

  • The instance is mostly made up bots, and or promotes spam.

  • The instance allows the harassment or doxxing of others.

  • The instance knowingly hosts CSAM or other illegal content.


Has FMHY Defederated Instances?

Only two, both for breaking the 1st rule above:

  • exploding-heads

  • lemmygrad


Things to Note:

  • There are circumstances where we may block a specific community within an instance, rather than blocking the entire instance itself, but this is very uncommon.

  • Remember that if there's a community you don't like, you can block it entirely in settings.

  • Keep in mind that our goal is to keep this community safe, so if you see something that breaks our rules please don't hesitate to report it.

  • If its something urgent, you can always contact us easily via Divolt ๐Ÿ’ฌ. Its connected to our discord, so there are mods online 24/7.

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[โ€“] 37 points 3 years ago

I really like that you are codifying policy like this.

The "instance is mostly made up by bots" is obviously a great call but your wording makes it sound like <50% bots is cool, >50% bots is not cool. haha

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  • [โ€“] 26 points 3 years ago

    Can always check https://lemmy.fmhy.ml/instances . Blocked Instances are at the bottom

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  • [โ€“] 24 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Oh, thank god for defederating exploding-heads.

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    [โ€“] 21 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    The hysterics over the as yet purely hypothetical prospect of Facebook/Threads being on the fediverse, along with some worrying signs of censorship, have caused me to to flee lemmy.world. Hereโ€™s hoping FMHY will be a better fit for me.

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    [โ€“] 19 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Defederation means we have disconnected our instance from another, and our users will no longer be able to see communities, posts or comments from users on the defederated instance.

    It should be noted that it's a two way street, no? They won't see any content from here either?

    Also, I thought single community ban from other instances wasn't possible yet? I remember the vlemmy guy saying that before going MIA.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 21 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Yeah good point, I just added that it goes both ways. As far as blocking single communities go I don't have all the details but I've been told we've done it for one so far.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Is it possible to list blocked communities in the /instances page? Or at least list them in a post? Just so users know what's being blocked.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I've been hearing different answers on this lately, particularly regarding Lemmy.world and Beehaw. Beehaw defederated LW, but not vice versa. The result is that no one on Beehaw can see any posts on LW, but users on LW are seeing some posts on Beehaw. It doesn't seem to be a complete cut to all communication.

    But that's still something worth bringing up - Here is the list of instances that block FMHY, and are (somewhat) effectively isolated from us here:

    https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=lemmy.fmhy.ml

    The only one that's significant is feddit.de. From what I can tell, it's because FMHY has open registration

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  • [โ€“] 19 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    I would have preferred to have a no-defederation policy (except for maybe threads due to EEE fears), but as long as it is not swung around constantly, I am okay with it.

    The two that are blocked are political circlejerks that I personally dislike anyways. I am hopeful there is not more.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    We want to use defederation as a last resort and hopefully when users are able to block instances themselves we'll be able to use it even less frequently. I dislike defederation personally as well, and like Nbats stated here, if the community's opinion of those two instances change and the instances themselves make their communities safer we'll refed.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Good. Hell, once the user-instance blocking thing comes out, give people a list and instructions to block those political instances, porn ones, etc. etc. I always like it to be on the user level, rather than some over-arching force telling me what I can and can't view. Freedom to make the decision for yourself should be a large priority.

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    [โ€“] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)
  • [โ€“] 15 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (5 children)

    Out of curiosity, whatโ€™s the deal with exploding-heads? I keep seeing them referenced negatively all over several instances.

    Edit: thanks for all the replies! Iโ€™ve got it now hahaha

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  • [โ€“] 37 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's basically alt-right spam. Lots of Breitbart links, right-wing culture war mouthpieces and memes, etc.

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  • [โ€“] 19 points 3 years ago

    Breitbart on the mainstream, centrist posts. Most of it's way further out there. I have no idea which ones are inauthentic shitposts and which ones are legit. They are way beyond Poe's Law.

    But more important is when they show up on other instances. Everything becomes an argument, dragging down everyone and everything they encounter. This also can't be solved by just blocking the communities on EH, it must be blocked at the community's instance or our (the viewer's) home instance.

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  • At first I thought it was just some edgy troll community, but it didn't take long for me to find a fairly upvoted comment saying "look, I just don't like immigrants" or something like that. So yeah, seems like that kind of place over there...

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, very cool. And about Threads, I will probably block Threads myself just because it's a twitter clone, it doesn't need to be on lemmy. But people should be able to make that decision themselves.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 3 years ago

    I think preemtive defederation/blocking from Threads is the most logical decision for every instance since we are talking about a known hostile company, not something new testing the waters that nobody knows how it will behave, it's Meta being Meta (even if they are trying to hide it behind the "by Instagram" slogan).

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I just hope this is done as an absolute last resort, and doesnโ€™t become common practice.

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    [โ€“] 9 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    and their users won't be able to see anything coming from ours.

    That is not true, beehaw defederated from sh.itjust.works, but we can still see posts from beehaw in our feed. Granted, if we comment, nothing gets sent back to beehaw, only members of sh.itjust.works will see those comments.

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    [โ€“] 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    So what does deferedating from them do for us? I wasn't seeing their content anyway because it wasn't popular enough to end up on all.

    Does it have any practical effects for fmhy users?

    I personally joined this instance because so many other large ones have massive federation lists. So if the only effect of defederating is to send a message, then I'm not sure I'm for that.

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